Every now and then, someone puts up a thread about how they perceive alliances to be 'better' than other alliances. This person usually has a long-winded post about how these alliances are the best because of things they did in the distant past, and then the thread normally degenerates about how some other alliance was awesome, based off some minor achievement done long ago.

One major issue I have with these sorts of rankings is that they normally tend to rank the overall political strength (past or present) of the alliances while leaving out the actual performances of the members of the alliances. Also, the problem with basing rankings on an alliance's warring capabilities is that neither Earth:2025 nor Earth:Empires has in-game alliance rankings of military statistics (yet). There are only 3 in-game alliance rankings: Total Networth, Average Networth, and Total Membership. There's nothing in those rankings about how many countries each alliance killed, nothing about hits per kill, nothing about civilians destroyed, etc. Just TNW, ANW, and members. Everything else is just third-party statistics tacked on by third-party alliance hosting sites.

The object of both Earth:2025 and Earth:Empires is to end up with the most powerful country in the world, and pretty much everyone agrees that a country's networth is the best indicator of such. So, while SOL and SOF may have 'dominated' politically in the glory days, not too many people can remember them putting up many top 10 finishes, nor have they consistently dominated TNW, ANW, or membership stats. Rage may have had the most members that one reset, but that was more or less a fluke, brought about by bad recruiting practices and possible multi-running. Again, while these alliances may have been politically-dominant, none of these alliances used their political dominance to translate their political success into worthwhile achievements in the game itself.

Also, ranking alliances because of what they were in the distant past isn't a really good method of ranking, IMO. Let's take a look at PDM, TIE, and, again, Rage. All three of these alliances at some point or another became, arguably, the most powerful alliances on the server. But that was over half a decade ago, and, again, none of these alliances consistently dominated TNW, ANW, or membership. Every single one of these alliances were only dominant because of the way they worked together with other alliances. If a new player were to begin playing on the Alliance server right now, and look at the current standing of these three alliances, he/she would have serious doubts that these alliances were once powerhouses of Earth. Most of this is due to the current state of the game, mind you, but the current state of these alliances is vastly disproportional to what they used to be, when the game was thriving. Whenever I take a glance at the current PDM, TIE, or RAGE, I think "small, underachieving, mostly netting, has-beens".

Some people will argue that there's really no competition in the game anymore, due to all the real talent leaving, so therefore, all these rankings are mostly pointless. I believe this is merely a result of the overall problems that are present in the game (and we all can waste more time listing those problems and arguing about which one has been the most effective, but I won't).


There are only three alliances in current existence that I can think of, off the top of my head, that actually deserve to be ranked at this time, based only off their consistent dominance of either TNW, ANW, membership, or a combination of the three.


1) LaFamiglia

As Detmer said, and everyone else knows, one of the oldest alliances in the game, but also very consistent at putting up top 10s, and being near or at the top of the TNW and ANW rankings. They have used their political influence and longevity to consistently and indisputably become the best overall alliance in the server. AFAIK, they have put up more double crowns than any other alliance that has ever existed (and probably more triple crowns as well, but I'm not sure). And, while I, personally, may not like some of their policies, or the way they do some things, I can still say that they're very good at what they do without any doubt.

They're already the best; there's no doubt about that. If they want to put out more triple crowns, all they need is to have their newer members (or those that consistently pull LaF's ANW down every set) bone up on their netting a bit. Assuming membership levels and political stability stay the same all around, that should be all they really need to do.

2) Netters Anonymous

Purely for the consistent top membership rankings and the fact they usually put up at least one top 10. Not nearly as old as LaF, this alliance came over to EC when FFA was shut down by Mehul, and the rest of the EC community welcomed them with open arms, right? Right????

Despite recent misfortune with ES going down, and taking about half their membership with it; and, also due to recent game changes that just about nullify the methods that NA normally uses to get countries in the top 10, NA can still be regarded as one of the more bloated alliances. Now, they just have to find all those extra members they lost a few sets ago.

3) Evolution

It's not that I'm biased or anything, but it seems that just about everytime this alliance nets, they end up winning ANW. Not nearly as old as LaF, this alliance came from several mergers between several different alliances over the years. The general modus operandi is to get into a war, either win or lose, offer their enemies a pact, then net for a year or so. Rinse and repeat. This is Evolution's method of translating political events to in-game ranking success. Winning ANW non-stop for a straight year is nothing to sneeze at. They also normally put up multiple top 10 finishes everytime they net.

Recent wars have taken a toll on Evolution's membership, but that hasn't stopped them from putting up top ANW finishes. With the best alliance site and training program at their disposal, Evolution looks to be putting up more top ANW finishes for sets to come. Well, whenever they net, that is...


That concludes my rankings, as pretty much every other alliance can only hope to be put on someone else's rankings by their empty political victories won in the distant past. Once again, these other alliances have failed to translate their political standings into top in-game rankings, mostly due to the fact these alliances simply didn't know how to keep their dominance without going to war with someone else. Had most of these alliances not been overly-concerned with tracking pacts, back-room political deals, and getting other alliances angry at them, perhaps there would be many more alliances worthy of being ranked by me.

omega deserve a mention imo

I declare this the Sim-EE rankings thread.

This is biased to alliances that net.

Alliances that war I guess are not considered top alliances anymore (SoF).

Omega should also be up there.

So should Monsters since this is so biased towards netting.

How is this in any way an all-time ranking if you explicitly say you ignore old-times? I feel like there should either be uniform weighting through time, or a weighting based on total game/server membership.

It seems more like a ranking of top recent alliance, top recent membership alliance, and then best recent netting alliance after LaF.

Just my views on the matter, but I definitely think on an all-time scale compared to other alliances in existence, Evo isn't even significantly different than old-LCN, Omega or Monsters.

Yes, but this is a new game, Detmer :P As people like to say. Plus, there haven't been any terribly good wars since EE came out, at least, as far as I know (which, admittedly, isn't very far.)

Agreed though, Evo has the best alliance site. Evar.

Why isn't anyone taking into consideration how good the alliance has been doing in polls regarding the alliance beeing the most useless in the game ever? I mean, imag would probably be ranked really high then, because I remember that we did terrific in the last poll like that about us, with the positive side way outnumbering the negative one!

If by all-time, he means all-time in EE, I won't complain about the rankings... NukEvil would need to clarify that is his point though =P

I would also add that the objective is to have fun, not achieve maximal NW, since this *is* a game and the game *doesn't* outline the objectives for us like it does in monopoly =P

What?!? I've always tried to get the Stations and then just hoard any wealth i could in hard cold cash! All the other squares suck imho!

I feel we play monopoly very similarly... my only real difference is that I like to get the utilities as well...

pffft! The light blue/purple/orange squares are the best! It was always fun to have someone pass GO to collect $200 only to then land on my light blue and cough the money + more back to me :D

OK now back to your regularly scheduled program about EE rankings.

THIS IS BLASPHEMY!! THIS IS MADNESS!!!!!

Every war is a good war.

No, it's NOT biased towards alliances that net--it's biased towards those that make top TNW, ANW, and membership--the 3 measurements on alliances in the game itself. Just because alliances that do so are those that happen to primarily be netters doesn't mean that those that don't net all the time can't be up there as well. They just have to be consistent.

Also, I agree that Omega should have a place up there, maybe as an honorable mention or something. They've always been on the heels of LaF and Evo in their rankings, and we've always had to keep an eye on them when the end of the set got close. I might do an edit on that sometime.




I did not explicitly say anything about ignoring an alliance's past achievements. I did say that, IMO, ranking an alliance's ancient political achievements that did not translate to in-game achievements is pointless. If an alliance has been known to consistently win TNW, ANW, membership, or any combination thereof, (and if they still exist) they received a ranking from me.

The only problem I have with rankings in general (not just these) is people seem to think there is only one way to play E:2025 or EE.

Mehul never said you had to get top networth to play his game to the maximum enjoyment. What a 100m country has in terms of resources is the same as a 4.1k restarts. We all have access to the same military, techs, buildings, governments, etc. There is no objective to get more nw when you start off with everything.

What you are trying to get across Nuk, is that Mehul only intended networth and such to be the standard. But I do believe Mehul stopped actively developing Earth (to great extent, not small balancing tweaks) long before third party sites came around and started using the other data from the feeds.

With that said, EE started out as a E:2025 clone, and as such had the same underdeveloped ranking "measures" as Mehul implemented.

2 of those 3 measures are related to netting. You don't get TNW and ANW by warring. How would war clans who net once in a blue moon achieve top spots for ANW and TNW??? Because of that they are rated as not being a top alliance? lol.

If SoF for example decided to mop the floor with EVO or NA set after set and NA/EVO no longer hit TNW/ANW/Membership highs I guess that means they are no longer a top rated clan right?

Looks like Omega usually finished better in ANW than Evo and that Evo very rarely wins ANW (twice ever)... I don't know that you can really use the ingame rankings as the basis of your rankings unless you actually look at them =P

But I disagree your whole premise is that there is no direct place in this game for politics and warring that do not have tangible results on the final scores, but if that is what you consider in your rankings, so be it.

Sorry if I miss any scores... I am pulling from archive.org and this site


Jun 10
Escargomega omega 33 $2,837,398,206 $85,981,764
Lafamiglia LaF 64 $4,832,857,540 $75,513,399
The Monsters MONSTERS 24 $1,358,634,391 $56,609,766
The EEVIL Empire EEVIL 25 $1,345,170,633 $53,806,825
Collaboration Collabr8 54 $2,833,290,541 $52,468,343
Elysium ElysiumC 10 $455,475,989 $45,547,599
The Neofederation Neofed 16 $674,194,017 $42,137,126
The Infernal Elite Infernal 36 $1,409,124,230 $39,142,340
La Cosa Nostra LCNostra 32 $1,238,215,310 $38,694,228
ICNxGARY ICN 23 $822,924,829 $35,779,340

Apr 10
LaFamiglia LaF 60 $4,390,850,154 $73,180,836
Escargomega TheOmega 30 $2,069,387,023 $68,979,567
The Monsters MONSTERS 21 $1,338,742,185 $63,749,628
La Cosa Nostra LCNostra 32 $1,604,580,434 $50,143,139
The Fist of Odin TheFist 12 $480,576,955 $40,048,080
The Neofederation xNeofedx 19 $727,752,669 $38,302,772
Paradigm xPDMx 19 $701,580,414 $36,925,285
The EEVIL Empire EEVIL 31 $1,125,823,992 $36,316,903
Evolution EVOata 30 $1,081,131,452 $36,037,715
ICN ICN 27 $764,062,505 $28,298,611

Jan 10
Evolution EVOfoo 27 $1,156,624,000 $42,837,926
The Omega TheOmega 30 $1,157,851,841 $38,595,061
The Monsters MONSTERS 22 $747,152,455 $33,961,475
La Cosa Nostra LCNostra 29 $947,610,315 $32,676,218
The EEVIL Empire EEVIL 12 $376,717,807 $31,393,151
Paradigm ParadigM 22 $535,360,089 $24,334,550
The Neofederation Neofed 16 $373,886,617 $23,367,914
RomexEly RomexEly 23 $494,831,916 $21,514,431
TIE Infernal 32 $625,274,613 $19,539,832
Netters Anonymous xNAx 116 $2,254,026,955 $19,431,267
RAGE RAGE 37 $694,814,109 $18,778,760

Apr 08
TheOmega OMEGA 26 $65,442,000 $1,701,510,000
LaFamiglia LaF 73 $59,813,000 $4,366,355,000
Evolution EVOwb 56 $57,908,000 $3,242,891,000
RAGE BEERBONG 77 $49,198,000 $3,788,273,000
ICN ICN 31 $45,726,000 $1,417,510,000
Moral Decay xMDx 56 $45,702,000 $2,559,366,000
Netters Anonymous NApalm 138 $42,485,000 $5,862,980,000
Sanctuary Sanctum 28 $39,035,000 $1,092,986,000
sof earth2025 net SoF 69 $22,918,000 $1,581,378,000
La Cosa Nostra LCNostra 48 $22,125,000 $1,062,038,000

Feb 08
LaFamiglia LaF 77 $71,283,000 $5,488,802,000
Evolution EVOjervi 62 $63,145,000 $3,915,017,000
The Monsters MONSTERS 26 $52,931,000 $1,376,223,000
Fallen Angels FAngels 9 $42,645,000 $426,450,000
Sons of Liberty SOL 122 $34,381,000 $4,194,587,000
The Omega TheOmega 34 $34,001,000 $1,156,037,000
Infernal Council of Nations ICN 27 $31,665,000 $854,969,000
Supremacy X 4everSX 27 $30,706,000 $829,072,000
RAGE RAGE 77 $24,836,000 $1,912,441,000
The Infernal Elite TIE 165 $19,945,000 $3,290,936,000

Dec 07
Evolution EVOqzjul 41 $68,349,000 $2,802,314,000
Fallen Angels FAngels 12 $62,754,000 $753,052,000
The Monsters MONSTERS 28 $49,523,000 $1,386,645,000
The Infernal Elite oTIEo 173 $46,607,000 $8,063,045,000
LaFamiglia LaF 90 $45,410,000 $4,086,914,000
Paradigm xPDMx 80 $44,350,000 $3,548,039,000
ICN ICN 33 $43,608,000 $1,439,078,000
Netters Anonymous Sodium 100 $42,444,000 $4,244,481,000
SupremacyX 4everSX 25 $31,693,000 $792,339,000
The Kings Order Tkowned 20 $28,394,000 $567,888,000

Oct 07
Fallen Angels FAngels 12 $64,494,000 $773,938,000
La Cosa Nostra LCNostra 52 $60,988,000 $3,171,427,000
The Omega TheOmega 31 $54,809,000 $1,699,083,000
Evolution EVOtmac 44 $54,396,000 $2,393,452,000
The Monsters MONSTERS 24 $54,223,000 $1,301,369,000
ICN ICNofear 22 $46,985,000 $1,033,683,000
The Infernal Elite TIE 150 $46,838,000 $7,025,764,000
The Kings Order TKOwned 24 $42,975,000 $1,031,413,000
Paradigm Paradigm 84 $40,003,000 $3,360,319,000
Netters Anonymous NAughty 115 $31,736,000 $3,649,643,000

Aug 07
Sexy Kinky Atheletes SKA 13 $74,061,000 $962,795,000
UnholyMonks Monks 27 $72,800,000 $1,965,624,000
EVOLUTION EVOss 24 $69,877,000 $1,677,061,000
The Monsters MONSTERS 24 $63,910,000 $1,533,858,000
La Cosa Nostra LCNostra 42 $61,296,000 $2,574,454,000
LaFamiglia LaF 132 $61,048,000 $8,058,447,000
Fallen Angels FAngels 12 $59,186,000 $710,232,000
Moral Decay xMDx 41 $57,535,000 $2,358,973,000
The Omega TheOmega 24 $57,525,000 $1,380,607,000
ICN ICN 19 $54,192,000 $1,029,665,000


Jun 07
Sexsi Kinky Atheletes SKA 19 $81,129,000 $1,541,460,000
Unholy Monks MonksFTW 44 $60,994,000 $2,683,739,000
The Monsters M0NSTERS 27 $60,507,000 $1,633,708,000
LaFamiglia LaF 93 $59,824,000 $5,563,698,000
The 0M394 0M394 22 $50,395,000 $1,108,708,000
TeamHunters THers 15 $49,813,000 $747,199,000
Moral Decay MoralDK 45 $47,596,000 $2,141,855,000
Infernal Council of Nations ICNer 25 $46,740,000 $1,168,500,000
G35T4 N0N V3R84 GNVerba 10 $46,418,000 $464,181,000
EVOLUTION EVOtmac 36 $45,344,000 $1,632,418,000

Apr 07
Sexy Kinky Atheletes SKA 26 $71,212,000 $1,851,518,000
Fallen Angels xFAngelx 11 $57,236,000 $629,597,000
The Monsters TheNM 28 $54,788,000 $1,534,073,000
TeamHunters THinc 19 $53,100,000 $1,008,908,000
EVOLUTION EVOec 25 $49,612,000 $1,240,322,000
The Kings Order TK0wnd 36 $48,170,000 $1,734,137,000
Infernal Council of Nations xxICNxx 17 $35,366,000 $601,225,000
TheOmega OakOmega 30 $35,137,000 $1,054,121,000
Moral Decay MDXFlank 44 $30,093,000 $1,324,107,000
Keep off the Grass KoTg 20 $30,058,000 $601,175,000

Feb 07
Sort of the end of transition to EC

Oct 06
End of EC first round

Sep 06
Some alliances over in EC
La Famiglia LaF1 79 $37,459,000 $2,959,263,000
Monks MonksFTW 15 $34,396,000 $515,946,000
Death Before Disco xxDBDxx 16 $31,837,000 $509,406,000
Evolution Shanks Mehul EVOCHOMP 34 $30,127,000 $1,024,326,000
The Monsters MONSTERS 33 $29,211,000 $963,987,000
The Cult Cultists 13 $28,992,000 $376,907,000
The Infernal Elite Infernal 119 $27,025,000 $3,216,073,000
IlluminX IlluminX 117 $25,650,000 $3,001,088,000
teh SMz mKe u fIshbAllsOup gnv pr0nxxxx 15 $25,014,000 $375,217,000
Sky Infidelz zSkYinFz 55 $24,820,000 $1,365,144,000

Jul 06
Death Before Disco DBDxGary 17 $34,151,000 $580,576,000
La Famiglia LaF 97 $32,648,000 $3,166,922,000
Unholy Monks UMonks 47 $31,661,000 $1,488,074,000
La Cosa Nostra LCNostra 68 $30,493,000 $2,073,541,000
The Omega TheOmega 44 $28,913,000 $1,272,179,000
The Monsters MONSTERS 38 $28,569,000 $1,085,643,000
Elysium xElyx 114 $27,334,000 $3,116,116,000
The Infernal Elite Infernal 106 $26,667,000 $2,826,706,000
Sky Infidelz xSkyInfx 52 $24,122,000 $1,254,363,000
Fallen Angels FAngels 23 $23,372,000 $537,575,000

May 06
Unholy Monks Monks 25 $49,347,000 $1,233,679,000
Death Before Disco xDBDx 25 $49,187,000 $1,229,695,000
The MONSTERS MONSTERS 41 $33,700,000 $1,381,737,000
RIVAL VIRAL 101 $30,941,000 $3,125,104,000
The Fist of Odin TheFISTx 26 $27,297,000 $709,725,000
Danish Dynasty DaneDyn 25 $25,649,000 $641,229,000
Mad Phoenix Empire MPhoenix 36 $22,958,000 $826,500,000
Tribal Tribal 30 $22,134,000 $664,027,000
Unknown Unknown 29 $21,790,000 $631,931,000
Mid Knight Riders MKR 57 $21,135,000 $1,204,746,000

Mar 06
The Unholy MonksXXXXXXXXXXXXXX shaolin 16 $48,227,000 $771,634,000
Death Before Disco DBD 18 $34,641,000 $623,542,000
LaFamiglia LaF 102 $30,308,000 $3,091,459,000
The Fist of Odin TheFIST 18 $29,158,000 $524,845,000
RIVAL V1RAL 97 $28,942,000 $2,807,454,000
The Monsters MONSTERS 46 $27,951,000 $1,285,751,000
Eclipse Eclipse 33 $24,503,000 $808,620,000
Danish Dynasty 25th Anni DDx25 21 $21,840,000 $458,641,000
sof earth2025 net SoF 96 $21,052,000 $2,021,035,000
Lemon Chiffons Clowns LCxCLOWN 8 $20,840,000 $208,401,000

Jan 06
Mehul delete us 4 we are CheaT eroTiCa 20 $69,028,000 $1,380,576,000
Death Before Disco DBD 13 $42,606,000 $553,888,000
Sky Infidelz xSkyInfx 117 $34,992,000 $4,094,135,000
Honor to AH and Kelly Infernal 129 $31,467,000 $4,059,323,000
Mobsters Retal Alliance MRA 14 $28,195,000 $394,734,000
The Omega TheOmega 62 $27,583,000 $1,710,186,000
RAGE 190Proof 130 $27,129,000 $3,526,772,000
TeamHunters TeamHunt 34 $26,664,000 $906,599,000
The Danish Dynasty DaneDyn 24 $26,099,000 $626,387,000
The Monsters MONSTERS 57 $25,371,000 $1,446,195,000

Nov 2005
The Club sweeeTC 69 $49,071,000 $3,385,925,000
Death Before Disco xDBDx 13 $38,497,000 $500,469,000
Sky Infidelz SkyTF 117 $31,662,000 $3,704,547,000
Gesta Non Verba GNVerba 48 $28,568,000 $1,371,299,000
Rival V1RAL 120 $28,242,000 $3,389,105,000
Danish Dynasty DDxMCK 24 $27,272,000 $654,531,000
Eclipse Eclipsex 52 $26,170,000 $1,360,884,000
Mad Phoenix Empire MPhoenix 43 $26,097,000 $1,122,193,000
Elysium xElyFU 161 $25,867,000 $4,164,625,000
The Fist of Odin TheFIST 35 $23,922,000 $837,281,000

Sep 06
RD iz Win RDwin 9 $144,730,000 $1,447,307,000
The Club of Netgainers egotisTC 25 $41,727,000 $1,043,192,000
Death Before Disco DBD 12 $35,870,000 $430,440,000
La Famiglia LaF 110 $29,302,000 $3,223,283,000
La Cosa Nostra LCNostra 97 $28,610,000 $2,775,259,000
The SancTuarY TanerRIP 46 $26,425,000 $1,215,578,000
Team Hunters THunters 48 $24,975,000 $1,198,804,000
The Infernal Elite Infernal 144 $24,560,000 $3,536,738,000
RIVAL VIRAL 148 $24,391,000 $3,609,914,000
MD1 MD1 103 $23,558,000 $2,426,492,000

Jul 2005
Death Before Disco DBDxGary 12 $37,047,000 $444,575,000
LaFamiglia LaF 115 $34,603,000 $3,979,368,000
Evol

Detmer, looks like you skipped a year there...

According to the measurements in the game, you would be correct.

"Sorry if I miss any scores... I am pulling from archive.org and this site"

Clearly there is time missing between when Earth was shut down and this was started... why don't you fill it in? Not like a year will make much difference in the history of Earth =P it clearly doesn't seem like when Evo has tried to net they got top ANW =P

evo has crap members and hasnt done well on EC at all. If you do a netting top alliance it goes

1) Laf
2) Omega
3) Monsters
4) the rest of you slackers

There you have it (btw, our site doesn't keep past alliance name -> alliance tag, except if their alliance tag is the current one):

Alliance Name Tag Members P V M R D F C I T H Total Land Average Land Total Networth Average Networth

Dec 09--EVO warred
La Famiglia LaF 65 0 0 0 9 13 3 1 0 1 38 1,602,485 24,654 4,695,740,378 72,242,160
~ omega 26 0 0 1 6 5 1 1 0 1 11 645,973 24,845 1,659,103,216 63,811,662
~ MONSTERS 16 0 0 2 9 3 0 0 0 0 2 333,790 20,862 792,777,041 49,548,565
~ ParadigM 41 0 0 1 18 4 6 1 0 2 9 903,898 22,046 1,641,566,442 40,038,206
~ xMDx 16 0 0 1 4 0 3 0 1 2 5 366,076 22,880 563,389,787 35,211,862
~ SanCult 16 0 0 0 5 0 2 1 0 5 3 342,669 21,417 288,179,898 18,011,244
~ LCNostra 27 0 0 2 1 2 3 2 1 15 1 602,139 22,301 484,252,145 17,935,265
~ ReGen 28 0 0 1 3 0 2 4 8 10 0 406,763 14,527 311,974,383 11,141,942
~ ICNxEC 19 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 2 12 1 257,453 13,550 142,130,576 7,480,557
~ xNBKx 18 0 0 3 0 1 3 4 0 6 1 214,798 11,933 115,303,131 6,405,730


Oct 09--EVO warred
~ MONSTERS 16 0 0 0 7 1 1 1 2 0 4 380,542 23,784 778,605,530 48,662,846
~ LaF1 56 0 0 0 9 6 1 3 0 9 28 1,190,909 21,266 2,545,843,879 45,461,498
~ NAxBerry 114 0 0 4 41 8 6 7 5 11 32 1,938,551 17,005 4,492,057,924 39,404,017
~ xSOFx 47 0 0 2 12 1 2 3 7 12 8 1,020,661 21,716 1,706,545,187 36,309,472
~ Inferno 32 0 0 2 5 1 2 0 5 9 8 617,205 19,288 914,467,824 28,577,120
~ Collab 17 0 0 0 6 0 0 5 1 1 4 256,985 15,117 439,739,478 25,867,028
~ xLCNx 18 0 0 1 7 1 3 1 2 3 0 502,661 27,926 411,431,396 22,857,300
~ Zero 16 0 0 4 3 1 0 1 2 5 0 226,477 14,155 233,635,700 14,602,231
~ ReGen 36 0 0 4 2 0 1 1 11 17 0 457,215 12,700 349,933,583 9,720,377
~ SOLx60 71 0 0 4 1 0 1 3 5 57 0 986,662 13,897 679,410,225 9,569,158


Aug 09
~ EVOtmac 54 0 0 1 16 0 4 2 6 25 0 882,196 16,337 912,037,180 16,889,577
~ LCNostra 23 0 0 1 1 0 2 4 0 11 4 386,113 16,788 379,099,386 16,482,582
~ ROGUE 10 0 0 0 0 0 1 4 1 4 0 172,556 17,256 126,835,060 12,683,506
~ SoF 21 0 0 3 0 1 1 1 6 9 0 249,408 11,877 172,402,205 8,209,629
~ SOL4K3nt 47 0 0 9 2 0 3 1 2 30 0 576,546 12,267 340,504,285 7,244,772
The_Infernal_Elites Infernal 28 0 0 0 2 0 1 0 4 21 0 369,715 13,204 198,980,834 7,106,458
~ MD1 17 0 0 0 2 0 1 0 5 9 0 176,579 10,387 105,409,229 6,200,543
La Famiglia LaF 63 0 0 4 8 1 1 3 3 41 2 740,466 11,753 370,521,151 5,881,288
~ omega 38 0 0 1 3 0 1 3 2 28 0 327,718 8,624 165,392,988 4,352,447
~ RAGE 47 0 0 2 1 1 4 1 3 35 0 423,460 9,010 180,529,007 3,841,043


May 09
~ EVOlens 47 0 0 0 4 14 1 0 0 0 28 1,132,365 24,093 5,067,333,615 107,815,609
La Famiglia LaF 73 0 0 0 6 8 1 0 0 0 58 2,154,470 29,513 7,399,529,948 101,363,424
~ OMEGA 34 0 0 1 2 16 2 1 0 0 12 945,760 27,816 3,323,214,989 97,741,617
~ TKOwnd 12 0 0 0 0 2 0 1 0 0 9 276,210 23,018 1,071,842,327 89,320,194
~ Paradigm 65 0 0 0 7 19 8 4 1 2 24 1,460,212 22,465 4,480,175,445 68,925,776
~ MONSTERS 24 0 0 0 16 2 1 1 0 0 4 549,914 22,913 1,549,713,164 64,571,382
~ ICNxEC 26 0 0 0 6 2 6 2 1 2 7 544,915 20,958 1,325,752,495 50,990,481
~ USIMPxCC 26 0 0 0 14 2 3 2 0 1 4 562,043 21,617 1,313,994,332 50,538,244
The_Infernal_Elites Infernal 83 0 0 1 23 11 6 1 1 5 35 1,612,267 19,425 4,132,727,187 49,791,894
~ Outkast 4 0 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 69,093 17,273 108,595,889 27,148,972


Mar 09
~ EVOlens 50 0 0 0 4 9 4 0 0 1 32 1,238,798 24,776 4,038,511,284 80,770,226
~ LaFizFTW 49 0 0 1 4 5 2 0 1 1 35 1,268,171 25,881 3,527,423,945 71,988,244
~ Omega 37 0 0 0 2 18 2 0 0 2 13 902,165 24,383 2,569,471,103 69,445,165
~ NMonster 28 0 0 0 18 4 1 0 0 0 5 593,258 21,188 1,705,694,128 60,917,647
~ LCNostra 23 0 0 0 5 2 3 0 0 0 13 484,777 21,077 1,299,801,408 56,513,105
~ USIMP 28 0 0 1 14 0 3 0 1 1 8 592,561 21,163 1,375,154,286 49,112,653
~ TKOwnd 12 0 0 0 1 1 1 3 1 2 3 268,391 22,366 583,372,674 48,614,390
The_Infernal_Elites Infernal 94 0 0 1 22 18 2 2 1 7 41 1,698,132 18,065 4,131,547,896 43,952,637
~ WAR 92 0 0 4 14 9 15 2 7 5 36 1,774,019 19,283 3,866,677,667 42,029,105
~ ICNxEC 31 0 0 3 4 4 4 3 0 4 9 534,722 17,249 1,198,850,968 38,672,612


Jan 09
~ EVOdiez 40 0 0 0 6 19 2 0 0 0 13 970,099 24,252 2,845,908,258 71,147,706
~ Omega 44 0 0 2 7 16 6 1 0 0 12 1,006,393 22,873 2,867,732,263 65,175,733
~ Paradigm 85 0 0 0 18 11 14 1 0 1 40 1,973,429 23,217 5,167,889,566 60,798,701
~ MoralDK 51 0 0 0 7 4 6 1 0 3 30 1,017,757 19,956 3,057,249,955 59,946,078
~ MONSTERS 26 0 0 0 13 4 1 0 0 0 8 518,047 19,925 1,425,542,599 54,828,562
~ SoF 62 0 0 0 19 7 3 1 3 4 25 1,233,588 19,897 2,807,941,379 45,289,377
~ USIMP 24 0 0 1 12 1 2 0 0 4 4 497,562 20,732 1,075,279,319 44,803,305
Infernal_Council_of_Nations ICN 32 0 0 1 4 3 4 5 1 3 11 519,798 16,244 1,287,964,840 40,248,901
~ Outkast 9 0 0 0 7 0 1 0 0 1 0 180,256 20,028 347,089,115 38,565,457
~ xRSx 26 0 0 1 3 1 1 10 2 7 1 391,656 15,064 345,881,674 13,303,141


Nov 08
~ EVOslpy 31 0 0 0 3 12 0 1 0 0 15 680,180 21,941 2,400,682,548 77,441,373
~ OMACxBAD 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 17,732 17,732 56,006,075 56,006,075
~ TheOmega 48 0 0 2 2 17 9 2 0 2 14 1,064,172 22,170 2,685,596,049 55,949,918
~ MoNsTeRs 28 0 0 0 15 10 1 1 0 0 1 629,670 22,488 1,561,340,372 55,762,156
~ LCNostra 31 0 0 2 7 3 2 0 0 0 17 669,523 21,598 1,727,215,196 55,716,619
~ RAGE 70 0 0 2 10 13 8 5 3 5 24 1,420,043 20,286 3,513,939,524 50,199,136
The_Infernal_Elites Infernal 111 0 0 2 14 24 1 2 2 3 63 2,532,857 22,819 5,549,237,896 49,993,134
~ Paradigm 81 0 0 1 22 14 8 7 0 0 29 1,685,431 20,808 4,034,790,508 49,812,228
~ CAF 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 21,335 21,335 49,458,495 49,458,495
~ xMDx 31 0 0 0 6 2 2 0 1 1 19 679,628 21,923 1,485,839,810 47,930,316


Aug 08
~ EVOdiez 29 0 0 0 6 8 2 1 0 1 11 604,818 20,856 1,973,356,910 68,046,790
~ LCNostra 32 0 0 1 11 0 1 0 0 0 19 686,208 21,444 2,084,675,167 65,146,099
~ TheOmega 45 0 0 1 7 13 7 1 0 3 13 949,657 21,103 2,703,096,072 60,068,802
~ MONSTERS 23 0 0 0 14 2 2 0 0 0 5 488,805 21,252 1,308,838,724 56,906,031
~ xTKOx 13 0 0 0 1 2 1 2 0 0 7 240,112 18,470 735,242,810 56,557,139
~ FAngels 6 0 0 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 3 121,282 20,214 303,999,456 50,666,576
~ Paradigm 62 0 0 0 19 9 3 3 0 3 25 1,118,445 18,039 2,895,207,441 46,696,894
~ pwNAge 142 0 0 2 40 6 14 6 3 6 65 2,678,495 18,863 6,425,500,105 45,250,001
~ RAGE 58 0 0 3 12 15 5 2 2 5 14 1,027,514 17,716 2,360,826,701 40,703,909
Infernal_Council_of_Nations ICN 27 0 0 3 4 2 3 1 0 4 10 443,882 16,440 1,094,174,473 40,524,980


Jun 08--Evo Warred
La Famiglia LaF 58 0 0 2 7 16 0 0 1 4 28 1,489,687 25,684 4,153,286,837 71,608,394
~ TKOwnd 10 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0 1 6 185,661 18,566 518,961,496 51,896,150
~ MONSTERS 28 0 0 0 13 5 1 1 1 1 6 557,956 19,927 1,404,551,270 50,162,545
~ NAked 166 0 0 1 37 10 18 11 5 7 77 3,441,249 20,730 8,275,530,852 49,852,595
Infernal_Council_of_Nations ICN 27 0 0 2 5 3 3 1 0 1 12 470,032 17,409 1,287,953,428 47,701,979
~ USIMP4cc 16 0 0 2 4 1 3 2 0 2 2 337,834 21,115 462,033,494 28,877,093
~ 4werty 7 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 2 3 83,774 11,968 152,760,240 21,822,891
~ Mencia 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 24,720 24,720 21,821,518 21,821,518
~ 4everSX 5 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 1 1 0 67,402 13,480 77,916,702 15,583,340
~ PDMGoorp 51 0 0 4 8 3 4 0 2 21 9 775,115 15,198 758,537,118 14,873,277

those are council scores i guess?

Yep...Detmer mentions council transition, so I figured he did council scores as well.

Ok, Evo did have a very good year which maybe would elevate them to one of the recent netting alliances. I still wouldn't generalize to throughout history though.

Correct

not only did we win ANW in Aug 09 we also warred 3 times (and lost one of those wars to LaF) Of course we won ANW with 16M hahaha, that was a fun set!

I didn't even read this thread.

When i saw Nukevil made a thread about "all-time" i knew that he would do 2 things:

1) Make the first couple of alliances other alliances he isn't a part of.

2) Insert Evo somewhere where it doesn't fit, simply because he doesn't like to see OTHER threads where Evo is realistically placed as low as it should be.

Nukevil, why Pangaea tolerates you as a mod or any other part of this game is beyond me.

All you do is troll LaF and promote Evo at ANY opportunity you can get, and I get sick of reading your posts about how great Evo is.

I like you guys a lot, and I don't regret pacting you guys up to LDP. I think you're a great alliance.

But seriously, cut the fluff. No one wants to hear about you fluffing about LaF (yeah you did them lip-service in this thread, but in every other thread you flame them for no reason other than your jealousy) and no one wants to hear about you making a new "all-time" thread just to include Evo somewhere up top.

On another note, you included NA in your list? And one of the justifications was they always have someone in the top 10? That's because they FA people to the top 10 every reset. It takes a fluff alliance to do that, not a great one.

Also, Evo is definitely not in the top 3.

Your top 3 should be something like this:

NETTERS
------------

1. LaF
2. Omega
3. LCN

WARRERS
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1. SoF (until the last 2 sets)
2. SOL (they are actually better than everyone says they are)
3. LaF (sorry iMag, but even LaF are better at warring than you)

OVERALL
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1. LaF (i hate to say this, but they are *the* top alliance -- and i hate the policies of LaF)
2. Omega (when they war, they go all out -- otherwise they are great netters)
3. LCN

Why LCN in the overall? Because given the PROPORTION of their members and how they net, they do damn good -- yes, Evo gets higher numbers, but they also have a lot more members. LCN ain't that great at warring, but they are alright -- SOL and SoF are shadows of their former selves at netting, so don't get in the top for the "BOTH" category.

A few sets ago, I probably would have put SoF in the top 3 of both warring and netting, but they've really fallen off.

Evo is just overrated. People joke about SOL being overrated, but no one ever points out how often Evo is overrated.

Now this ISN'T bashing on Evo, because they are a great alliance. This is more of a criticism of Nukevil's stupid posts where he masturbates to Evo pr0n every night.

Nukevil, YOU are a good person and a good mod, but stfu abotu Evo already.

Tan, out of curiosity could you not consider laf the top warring alliance? I havnt checked and compared numbers but our FS was pretty darn good and we had a few fluff members continue netting too. I could be wrong as I say. Not actually bragging here but I am confident we would beat sol. Sof I am unsure of for their pound for pound comparison.. im too lazy to figure stuff out :P

well...LaF are good at warring, there is no doubt.

they aren't better than SoF, even with SoF being kind of lazy of late. remember, no matter what, all that SoFers know is warring. they are excellent at it. they poop warring countries. if anyone knows warring, it's them.

the reason i put SOL above LaF is because they are not only warrers (who have got worse of late), but they have the know-how of everything that involves war. they got ALL the formulas figured out and are up to date.

they can (if they wanted to) give you the formulas on CDs, SRs or any other ops. they got the formulas for just about every war-related activity. like SoF, all they know is war (they are just not as good as SoF at executing a war -- or building as good of war countries as SoF).

LaF, at heart, will ALWAYS be a netting alliance. no matter what they do, they will always be behind the curve of warring-know-how than SOL or SoF.

besides, 3rd place isn't a bad spot. i fully recognize LaF as being great at warring, especially for a netting alliance (even Omega, for a netting alliance, is fantastic at war). i just don't think they have the "spirit" of war down like SoF or SOL.

I'm not even going to bother quoting your post, TAN, because it'd make my post seem that much longer, and thus you'd think that I actually cared. Your trolling isn't even worth responding to. You lied several times there, btw. You can look up the stats to see just how wrong you really are.

i never lie.

i often forget or post things where i admittedly don't have all the info i should, but i never lie.

i also never look up stats, which probably is a reason why you think i am lying (see the second part of sentence #2).

Formulas really aren't that difficult to figure out - I have all of the old war formulas in KoH's 1a site somewhere if anyone would like to have them. It took us less than a day to get them all figured out back then, and it's not like it was some huge labor/mentally intensive project (after all, this is me we're talking about here)....it just took someone willing to put the 2 or 3 hrs of effort into it.

I'm sure about 10-20 min of reverse engineering with a guinea pig country or 3 would help ya figure out if there's been any major changes to them that aren't already posted in the blogs/wiki/forums somewhere.

the changes between EE and E2025 are enormous, not in scope, but in the small details -- very little of the formulas were figured out as they exactly were from E2025. The current formulas are the best guesses that Pang & co could come up with (which are damn good guesses). But they aren't the same, and the changes do make a difference.

You're right, a few dedicated players could figure out the formulas, but not every alliance has those members, and even if you did, not every alliance has those members dedicated enough to figure out the formulas for *every* war-related activity, which SOL has done.

Of course, I am basing this on what I know of SOL and what I *don't* know of every other alliance simply because...well...I don't know whether they've done it or not. But I know SOL has.

"All-time current alliance rankings"

More like "Rankings based solely on TNW since '07"

Sucks to your azzmar.

#2 NA (an alliance that has existed for 1/3 of the lifetime of e2025)

You really put a lot of effort into this one. How about MD or Omega?

I'm glad to hear SoL has the formulas. I'm just completely failing to see how this makes them in any way special above any other clan, as many other alliances have the same set of info, and it's publicly available in a lot of places.

Confirmed

I suggest not sleeping through reading comprehension the next time your elementary school decides to teach it.

This thread title was mis-leading.

Should read "NukEvil's top 3 netting alliances of current reset".

Your name is misleading.

Should read "Stupid".

I don't like Thomas AT ALL, but NukEvil, why don't you try to act like the fluffing Developer of the game instead of a fluffhead from time-to-time, eh?

If someone insults you (like me or Thomas), then at least...you know...try to act like a Developer who cares about the game instead of stooping to the same ad hominem insults we use against you.

Perhaps if you said to Thomas instead, "Please post constructive criticism or no criticism at all", then it might be more in the character of your position.

In other words, try to be a role model and don't stoop to the level of us trolls. I know it'll be tough...but you can always try...

iMag has them, does that put us above LaF?

No sorry. LaF would still pwn you guys in a war. But I still love iMag, even if you do spam me with your incorrigible recruitment messages!

Well of course they would, that's 71 vs 28.

Not saying that iMag wouldn't back down though.

Again, TAN, I won't even quote your post. But I will remind you of the fact that I am a troll, have always been a troll, and probably always will be a troll.

Also, if someone decides not to read a post, draws an incorrect conclusion from it, and insults the poster for it, the poster insulted does not have the obligation to act like something else when it comes to putting stupidity in its proper place.

Btw, I'm not the "fluffing Developer of the game", if you haven't noticed from reading that bit of text under my name for the past however long this forum has been operational. No offense or anything, but some of you people are absolute idiots when it comes to reading comprehension. Instead of suggesting I "act like a developer" everytime someone gets smacked, how about you start acting your age?

Sorry.

Act like the "fluffing FORUM developer of the game".

Is honey satisfied now?

NEW RANKINGS FOR SOVIET!!:

1. iMag
2. LaF
3. RD

This thread is so full of fail, it hurts.

Well excuse me. I thought a ranking list would consist of an actual list, rather than 3 alliances.

it seems you missed the point of this post axa and thomas.

The point is self gratification for Evo, not alliance rankings:p

Tan, they might know some of the war specific formula's better but laf has far and above better countries. Gives them better breakers and such and harder to kill.. but yah I respect that opinion for sure