I thought I saw someone say they sold grain on their PM for 36.

How did you do this? Was it a particular government *and* some kind of tech?

Demo with max military tech will allow you to sell for $36, not sure about other governments, Theo is NOT recommended for selling on Pvt since it'll pay $26.

Using the Teching chart on eestats makes "max tech" seem impossible. Is something like 82 or 81.97 enough to get there?

(I kinda want to try this sometime but can't figure the formulas.)

Yes, that's what I meant by max

You basically multiply your land by 40 and that's how much military tech you need as a demo.

Wow, and folks have that kind of cash?

The ones that specialize do

81.77 isn't enough :-/

See you next week

???

81.77% effective tech doesn't achieve 36 sell price. I'm curious what percent would

are you a demo?

Yup, I'm using the eestats calculator to figure what my current effective tech is at, since the UI rounds up to 81.8

Is it just that I need to get it to round down to 81.7 in the UI? (81.74 actual?)

i don't know about the actual % but at 30300 land, i bought 1,200,000 military tech points to sell bushels at $36. :D

Nice.

That is 81.69 according to the tool.

I ran a Demo techer last set in 1a, I believe I was 81.7 % and selling bushels @$36ea.

81.72 also isn't enough

I'm definitely running out of runway here :-D

Get it to 81.70, that should work.

Working on it. If I don't post again 81.70 must've been required :-D

Sooooooo. I went for broke and made it to 5020 mil tech on one acre as demo. Still not seeing 36.

According to the eestats tool, that's well into the 81.698ish territory.

I might not have the patience to shred bushels again to try in the morning, but it was a fun go.

Is your one acre a MB?

CS. If it we're MB it would really harm my sale prices, right?

Yeah that's why I was wondering.

there are alpha test servers open to all. PM me for details.

i forget destock numbers all the time, and just create a country on a test server and go from there. lol

That was a brilliant reminder. 5234 mil tech for a 1 acre demo to hit 36 bushels.

Well now this has me puzzled, I've done $36 bushels many times and haven't run into this issue, maybe I'm wrong, but 81.70 was the last number I remember seeing before getting to $36, maybe 81.67 or 68?

What's your % indicator showing?

https://www.eestats.com/techcalc Says 81.69012

UI says 81.7

But do check my work on Alpha. I plan to later tomorrow if I get time

I just told you., but you're not listening.

Multiply your land by 40., and that's how much tech you need.

He’s got one acre hombre

The formula is different at low acres.

If you happen to know the low acreage formulas I'd be quite happy to know them.

That rule of thumb does seem to check out at big acreages.

(I'm wondering about the breakpoints near the exploration breakpoints)

Well if you're going by eestats website, the formula is built right into page:

<script type="text/javascript">
function checknum(number,techtype)
{
	var tmp = number.value;
	if(isNaN(tmp))
	{
		tmp = tmp.substring(0,(tmp.length-1));
		number.value = tmp;
	}
	if(number.value<0)
	{
		number.value = 0 - tmp;
	}
	if(techtype != null)
	{
		if(number.value>basetech(techtype) && (techtype == 'mil' || techtype == 'med'))
		{
			number.value = basetech(techtype);
		}
		if(number.value>maxtechwithgov(techtype)&& (techtype != 'mil' && techtype != 'med'))
		{
			number.value = maxtechwithgov(techtype);
		}
	}
}

function updateall(val)
{
	var techtypes=['mil','med','bus','res','agri','war','strat','weap','indy','spy','sdi'];
	var i = 0;
	while(i<=10)
	{
		calcpercent(techtypes[i]);
		updatehtmlmaxtech(techtypes[i]);
		i++;
	}
}

function updatehtmlmaxtech(val)
{
	var techid = 'max'+val;
	document.getElementById(techid).innerHTML = Math.round(maxtechwithgov(val)*100)/100;
}
function maxtechwithgov(val)
{
        var govbonus = document.tech.government.value.split(",");
	return basetech(val) + (maxtech(val) - basetech(val))*govbonus[0];
}

function maxtech(val)
{
	var maxtech = new Array();
	maxtech['mil'] = 500/6;
	maxtech['med'] = 200/3;
	maxtech['bus'] = 180;
	maxtech['res'] = 180;
	maxtech['agri'] = 230;
	maxtech['war'] = 5;
	maxtech['strat'] = 140;
	maxtech['weap'] = 150;
	maxtech['indy'] = 160;
	maxtech['spy'] = 150;
	maxtech['sdi'] = 90;
	return maxtech[val];
}
function c1(val)
{
	if(val=='mil')
	{
		return 780;
	}
	if(val=='med')
	{
		return 1650;
	}
	else
	{
		return 192;
	}
}
function c2(val)
{
	if(val=='mil')
	{
		return 5.75;
	}
	if(val=='med')
	{
		return 4.62;
	}
	else
	{
		return 6.795;
	}
}

function basetech(val)
{
        if(val=='war')
        {
                return 0.2;
        }
	else if(val=='sdi')
	{
		return 1;
	}
	else
	{
		return 100;
	}
}



function calcpercent(val)
{
        var govbonus = document.tech.government.value.split(",");
	var points = val+'points';
	var percent = val+'percent';
	var t = document.tech;
	var decimals = basetech(val) + (maxtech(val)-basetech(val)) * govbonus[0]*(1-Math.exp(-govbonus[1]*t[points].value/(c1(val)+(c2(val)*t.land.value))));
	t[percent].value = Math.round(decimals*100)/100;
} 

function calcpoints(val)
{
        var govbonus = document.tech.government.value.split(",");
	var points = val+'points';
	var percent = val+'percent';
	var t = document.tech;
	var percentage = parseFloat(t[percent].value);
	if((val == 'mil' || val == 'med') && percentage == maxtechwithgov(val))
	{
                percentage = percentage + 0.001;
	}
        if((val != 'mil' && val != 'med') && percentage == maxtechwithgov(val))
        {
                percentage = percentage - 0.001;
        }
	var decimals = -Math.log( 1 - (percentage-basetech(val))/((maxtech(val)-basetech(val))*govbonus[0]) ) * (c1(val) + c2(val)*t.land.value) / govbonus[1];
	if(decimals<0){decimals = 0;}
	t[points].value = Math.round(decimals);

}


</script>

All this math hurts my brain.

It hurt my pupils... thanks Celphi :P

My head exploded

Yeah I heard it from 2600 miles away :-/

The 40/acre is a great rule of thumb. I had good luck applying that and 81.695 at 1900ish.

It's also a completely awful strat, but hey it brings me joy to inflate the bushels market ;-)

I've done it on alliance before - 10k demo techer...... went from 10mil to 700 mil onhand buying from the public and reselling on the private in a few minutes. I got killed not long after that - something about all untagged countries on alliance getting killed one reset.....

It's not a practical strategy. For starters., if there's a 2nd person doing it,. then you may as well self-delete because you're not going to recover from the 200 turns wasted on raising your military tech to 81.6%