Thats the odd thing. On the UI forum there's basically only two laf people talking. Hawk being opposed to changes and Gerdler being for changes.

Virtually everyone else is monsters or elder family. Ugo suggested some changes that me and sin and gerdy all agree with but expenses for high spal high land change....

But thats basically monsters and elders talking about changes and someome in laf agreeing while someone else in laf is disagreeing. Elders and monsters seem to have the most succinct and congruent message, not laf.

I think it's just a product of them wanting to not have to get good to pound on better players after years away. If they had participated in a closer war they'd understand better I'm sure.