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SkyKing

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Nov 24th 2014, 21:30:28

There are two cashers just now coming up the ranks. These past two days for me have been brutal trying to convert. Just 30 more turns and I can start climbing back up. Don't know if this conversion is gonna work out for me but I think it has more potential than teching does this set.

blid

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Nov 24th 2014, 22:32:35

They must be poor cashers if they're not *already* up the ranks...

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

SkyKing

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Nov 24th 2014, 23:16:48

Lot's of fast starting commies.

Xinhuan

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Nov 25th 2014, 3:07:08

Originally posted by blid:

Not a single casher this reset.

Me and oldman would have run cashers if we were playing. :P

LATC

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Nov 25th 2014, 3:27:27

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Originally posted by blid:

Not a single casher this reset.

Me and oldman would have run cashers if we were playing. :P

Oldman and I*

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Are you guys stupid or what?

crest23

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Nov 25th 2014, 3:59:35

And oldman would have won.

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Ka Mac

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Nov 25th 2014, 5:23:00

Originally posted by crest23:

And oldman would have won.

and blid would have beat him. :D

Originally posted by blid:

I would have beat him

*waves* at blid

blid

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Nov 25th 2014, 5:36:47

i am pretty good, but i dont know about that. i was tlaking specifically about last set if ingle hadnt warred me. last time oldman and i both cashed, he outperformed me, so i assume he's a better player than i am. which is fine, he's great. although lately many of my countries have been weirdly good.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

VicRattlehead

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Nov 25th 2014, 19:56:42

You sold 3 Jets for $292

lolwut

Marshal

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Nov 25th 2014, 20:11:46

lucky you.

Patience: Yep, I'm with ELK and Marshal.

ELKronos: Patty is more hairy.

Gallery: K at least I am to my expectations now.

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I AM BATMAN

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Nov 25th 2014, 20:18:47

THIS THREAD IS EXTRA LUCKY BECAUSE
I AM BATMAN

h2orich

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Nov 26th 2014, 7:54:52

I'm seeing tech hitting $1,500 and Jets/Turrets hitting in the low $90s within the next 2 weeks.

oldman

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Nov 26th 2014, 10:54:43

38.6 days left in the set...
$118 average jets/turrets price last 2 weeks
bus/res dropped from $3000 to $1900 in the last 10 days.
oil barrel has been about $100-$150/barrel in the last 10 days.
food's about $40/bushel average last 10 days.

Comparing the same time frame from last set:
jets/turrets were slightly cheaper last set (~$110); bushels was cheap ($36); barrels were already $200; bus/res tech were about $2300.
Can't really decide if it's better to run a casher last set or this set. Both are favourable for cashers, but maybe I will say this set is better ($19xx tech vs $23xx tech is definitely a huge plus).

At first glance, it looks like a casher's set but farmer definitely has a shot if food price remains >$40.

And if anyone wants a comparison on how they are doing, here're my turn 1162 rep casher stats from last set, which corresponds to right about now for this set:

Land: 19741 acres
NW: 6.9M
BPT: 105
Tech: 167% bus/res, 110% mil strat, 115% weapon
Income: $8.4m/turn non cashing, $10.4m/turn cashing

h2orich

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Nov 26th 2014, 10:59:52

how do you get stats from your 1162 turn rep casher? you recorded them?

oldman

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Nov 26th 2014, 11:02:52

yeah, spend an extra 2 seconds a day to copy and paste your stats page into a spreadsheet.

LATC

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Nov 26th 2014, 14:29:52

So many retals to do on silly ppl who DH me

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Are you guys stupid or what?

blid

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Nov 26th 2014, 15:28:09

Originally posted by oldman:

And if anyone wants a comparison on how they are doing, here're my turn 1162 rep casher stats from last set, which corresponds to right about now for this set:

Land: 19741 acres
NW: 6.9M
BPT: 105
Tech: 167% bus/res, 110% mil strat, 115% weapon
Income: $8.4m/turn non cashing, $10.4m/turn cashing

see. 20k acres. biggest cashers right now are 12k. theres 0 real cashers lol. literally 0

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Getafix

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Nov 26th 2014, 17:43:27

How do you get to 20k acres at turn 1162 with a rep casher, in 200 words or less?

Ka Mac

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Nov 26th 2014, 17:55:33

Originally posted by Getafix:

How do you get to 20k acres at turn 1162 with a rep casher, in 200 words or less?

I'm all ears too. :D :)

LATC

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Nov 26th 2014, 18:20:04

Originally posted by Getafix:

How do you get to 20k acres at turn 1162 with a rep casher, in 200 words or less?

All explore.

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Are you guys stupid or what?

SkyKing

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Nov 26th 2014, 19:08:17

Well it helps if people are scared of your reputation.

deezyboy

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Nov 26th 2014, 19:28:11

a very good set and really good grabbing + a very efficient start. that is impressive though the most i've gotten by 1200 was 18k and that was on express. old man is observably a lot more intelligent + capable of things the rest of us, realistically, aren't going to pull off.

blid

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Nov 26th 2014, 23:05:19

Originally posted by SkyKing:

Well it helps if people are scared of your reputation.

no it doesn't, people didn't even know what his country was at that point in the set. im sure players like LATC, Ka Mac, etc would have no problem reaching a similar amount of land by that mark

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Ka Mac

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Nov 26th 2014, 23:48:54

Originally posted by Getafix:

How do you get to 20k acres at turn 1162 with a rep casher, in 200 words or less?

I knew it! 3 words:

Secretly, Quietly and Discretely. ;)

Well, I got almost 23k at turn 1172 but that's a CI. Getting 20kA at turn 1162 being rep casher w/ decent amount of techs requires an above average/very good skill, dedicated time and effort, math, etc. It's really remarkable. And thanks blid! :)

Edited By: Ka Mac on Nov 27th 2014, 7:23:49
See Original Post

Getafix

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Nov 27th 2014, 2:01:05

It is pretty amazing. I'd like to figure out how to do it. I'm curious about the CS buildup strategy. Also, I think I must be keeping my bus/res tech % too high and I start grabbing too late; I'm undervaluing land in favour of tech somehow.

I've been trying various tech start strategies, but LATC must be right, all X is the way to go for the start. But I'll just mention that a tech start that included buying up bushels at $32 and selling at $94 worked pretty well and took me to 6th last set.

VicRattlehead

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Nov 27th 2014, 2:37:25

I would just like to observe that it is official - I am no longer a fantastic indy runner. For whatever reason - time investment, rule changes, perspective differences, probably all of those - I am simply far more effective/efficient at techers and (this hurts to admit) cashers. wtf happened to me? I had a good run I guess, going back to when tyrs and dicts had Indy bonuses, but this is a tough pill to swallow.

VicRattlehead

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Nov 27th 2014, 2:37:45

It is still a fun strat though!

h2orich

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Nov 27th 2014, 3:46:49

Originally posted by Getafix:

How do you get to 20k acres at turn 1162 with a rep casher, in 200 words or less?

Not that hard. I got 21k as demo casher. but of course, I didnt have 100 bpt, doesnt matter tho.

deezyboy

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Nov 27th 2014, 3:47:01

if i recall correctly some of the better cashers including oldman i noticed grab really early. i went all-x until 8-10k acres or so and it took all i had to get my techs up and keep a safe turret count. I'm not sure if he just tech starts and grabs really well or cash starts very efficient and is just that good or runs low defense but i am pretty sure they aren't going all-x.

deezyboy

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Nov 27th 2014, 3:49:26

h20 is def a very good grabber as well i can confirm that

LATC

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Nov 27th 2014, 4:09:43

Originally posted by blid:

Originally posted by SkyKing:

Well it helps if people are scared of your reputation.

no it doesn't, people didn't even know what his country was at that point in the set. im sure players like LATC, Ka Mac, etc would have no problem reaching a similar amount of land by that mark

Thanks but I'm actually a slow starter because I tech at 4k acres to a higher level.. I make up for it by TFing after conversion cuz by that point all the ppl at my NW range are the ones who end up falling behind and then being aggressive on grabs until I catch the top land ppl.

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Are you guys stupid or what?

Serpentor

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Nov 27th 2014, 6:46:38

I LGd a guy today, and got some weird results. He had two d allies with over 2.5m turrets each, and the result showed them only losing 1 troops each. WTF??

Also my money was showing :
$31,617,092.333333333

WTF is going on?

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Serpentor

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Nov 27th 2014, 6:51:36

Oh, and I'm sucking hard this round. What's new. Lol

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Ka Mac

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Nov 27th 2014, 7:11:58

Originally posted by deezyboy:

He's my DA last set so this is true, he grabbed early and grabbed real good, finding good targets, very efficient. So mixing up with decent tech levels and good bpt, he really on his way to a record finish, not until the grab of edjfr.

Serp: I think there are discrepancies on resulting losses of DAs (on the attack page) and on the actual losses of the DAs. Just my observation. No idea of what is happening, there might be an ongoing update?

oldman

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Nov 27th 2014, 10:00:10

not sure if I was running low def, I don't think so but you can compare...at turn 1162, I had 2.4m jets and 3.7m turrets.

h2orich

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Nov 27th 2014, 15:18:56

Originally posted by Serpentor:

There is an on-going bug that only show troops and tanks losses from D allies., both D allies probably have 0 tanks and mayb 100 troops, that might just cause them to lose 1 troop each during ur attack. Turrets are not shown on your attack message.

Serpentor

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Nov 27th 2014, 16:55:24

Ah. Never noticed that before... Although I don't pay attention to much anymore.

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Marshal

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Nov 27th 2014, 20:24:54

and also its possible that game tells that d-allies didn't lose anything when their ally is attacked although they lost army).

decimals showing up is bit rare and not worth to fix (qz has tried to fix that allies not losing military but ......).

Wotan

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Nov 27th 2014, 21:31:47

I'm being attacked left and right

crest23

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Nov 27th 2014, 22:35:21

left, right, and center.

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Serpentor

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Nov 27th 2014, 22:39:20

Not many players anymore. Now everyone will get hit lots.

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Ka Mac

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Nov 28th 2014, 1:14:09

True.

Xinhuan

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Nov 28th 2014, 5:05:17

A lot of you start grabbing after exploring to 4k, 5k or even 7k land. That is much slower and less turn efficient than just starting to grab land from 2k acres. You save much more turns for growth, and once you start growing earlier, the growth fuels itself by pulling ahead.

20k land by turn 1200 is the standard goal for techers on Alliance too.

Do note that last reset was one of the "exceptional" resets where everything was cheap for cashers (food, units, tech).

deezyboy

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Nov 28th 2014, 6:52:27

how in the world do you manage to grab so early and get tech up?

h2orich

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Nov 28th 2014, 6:57:23

An an all-ex,
You take about 45 turns to grow from 2k to 4k acres (via exploring)

As an attacker,
On average you can grab about 5500 acres for the first 4 attacks which will bring you to about 4k acres.
Lets say you take about 10 spy ops for these 4 attacks(most of them dont have allies) + the 4 attacks you make, you only need about 18 turns, instead of 45. Of course, you risk the chance of getting retalled.

VicRattlehead

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Nov 28th 2014, 14:41:25

And you spend cash on oil, lost units.

Although I am certain if I grabbed 5500 acres I would have more than 4k when I was done.

Marshal

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Nov 28th 2014, 15:24:35

before or after getting retalled?

deezyboy

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Nov 28th 2014, 15:53:02

alright.. first off.. im gonna overlook that math.

second, heres my dilemma when i dont go all-x.. i either end up landfat because i dont have enough tech or i get grabbed because i keep my tech up and dont have enough defense.

so wtf am i doing and how should i remedy this.. ive tried building cs slower and more bus/res zones early. Even then i still dont have high enough tech to make me happy or enough military to even defend myself not to mention attack other people

h2orich

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Nov 28th 2014, 16:28:43

Originally posted by VicRattlehead:

And you spend cash on oil, lost units.

Although I am certain if I grabbed 5500 acres I would have more than 4k when I was done.

all attacks are like 100k jet PS max. you lose like 8k jets per hit, 32k for 4 hits. and like 20k barrels? thats like 8m cash?

SkyKing

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Nov 28th 2014, 16:43:21

I outgrow my early hits as a tyr techer; however, this time I wanted a bit longer before I started banging and it seemed to work out a touch better. I only hit people who have the audacity to run no defense early being cheapskates. I always hit them. If they retal me later saying "retal", I'd for sure pop them again. If I took 100 acres early because you had no defense and you take 3k late then I feel I'm entitled to a retal. Some people might QQ that but you were that one that carried no defense early like this is a game of pattycake.