It's currently on change set 17. How should the changes in 18 and 19 be modified so they work better for this server?

https://www.earthempires.com/...hanges-48122?t=1576769870
https://www.earthempires.com/...set-19-48510?t=1595611608
https://www.earthempires.com/...hanges-49930?t=1616874993

Seems like the main difference is in grabbing. Not a big fan of having to run a bit of a rainbow to maximize my gains, but I am a fan of capping grabs to 10% of the attackers land.

Yeah, looking forward to playing with this I agree that rainbows will have grabbing advantage and there's a ton of them rainbows here :-/

Ehh... changeset 17 is the best for primary.

Because of the lower acreages and how important land on primary it will force most players to run straight up rainbows.

In 1a its OK to have 10k non-preferable acres but because we grab humans here it might be even more than that and we have less land to make up those non-specialized acres.

I guess I will adapt but I don't love this change for this server. That said with the -10% GDI grab size removed it might counter part of the effect it will have on grabbing gains, you are bringing that here as well I take it?

Yes, -10% GDI will removed.

Our change set model doesn't really support holding back one server on an old change set for forever. Does anyone know what problem was being solved by this change? "Each Building/Tech type will be treated separately so if you have 0 of a specific building type built, you won’t gain any built buildings of that building type."

If something different should happen on solo servers then we can have something different happen.

I really don't like having to keep non-strat buildings just for grabbing on any server. It's just that when bots are available to hit you can get land non-stop which makes running a rainbow not a big deal.

The patented "stock half-heartedly for 4 weeks with a 10k acre all-xp techer then farm your way to 500k acres in 10 minutes then die" is the reason for all those changes.

For 1a its a small step in the right direction
for Express its decent
for tournament and team its ok mostly because no one who is serious even grabs there
Im not sure I have grabbed except to landkill suiciders in FFA since changeset 17 so I dont even know if it is in effect there. :)

the 10% limit can be put in in primary and will only improve it, so no issue.

The each building type change isnt good for primary(nor any solo server perhaps?), it makes 1a grabbing a bit more interesting I would say tho and it kinda helps with its purpose there.

I knew there was a -10% for GDI! I posited that last set and nobody was able to confirm it!

Also yeah, just keep us on 17. I've experimented with a test country on Tournament, and these changes kill land grabbing.

I agree - Primary should remain on changeset 17. Primary should not be concurrent with Alliance as they have different needs.

Slagpit,

This sounds terrible and it will ruin Primary

Why not make some of the changes recommended in the "Is this server fun" thread instead?

Cheers

Don't fix what's not broken, I'm willing to adapt but now that I read more comments and thought about how it'll impact the game, I jumped back to "don't change it" side.

This server isn't broken.

The feedback that I need is how to modify change set 18 so it works well on solo servers. Due to how the code works I can't do something like "primary gets change set 17, 19, and 20". All it can do is increment. If primary stays on change set 17 then it's basically frozen forever from a gameplay point of view.

Just to be clear: if you feel that the building grabbing rules currently in place are a good fit for primary, then go ahead and let me know that. That is useful feedback.

The "Specific building limit" is probably really bad for Primary and people are split on it in 1a(I happen to lean in favor of it), but its weird in every other server as well.
The "total buildings limit" has just objectively improved express, tournament, 1a and team(and if it is in place in FFA it improves that as well) and would definatly do so in primary as well.

I say that you should scrap the specific building limit on all servers, and keep the rest of changeset 20 and run primary and all other servers with that changeset.

Agree with this as well. Like the other changes.

I'm with these guys too.

I'm going to interpret that as seven in favor and none against. Last call!

the buildings need to grab ghost acres is really harsh, perhaps more so in primary where people will be in very low DR usually and therefore building gains would normally be full

right now we as players basically consider it as you get 4.3% of the buildings you have max, although that isnt actually how it works

but if it was going to come in to servers where it wasnt already in id much prefer it to come in as a flat 10%

so if i had 1k farms i could grab 100 farms, nice and simple for everyone

the total building part is much more useful for preventing griefing, the matching buildings always felt really weird and over promotes rainbow play

although in primary techer is dominant right? so it would be a huge nerf to the dominant strat which is kind of good, but people wouldnt like it

Nope, techer is probably the worst of the coherent strats in Primary. This change would make it worse.

The building grabbing rules currently in place are a good fit for primary

I like the idea of not having to tear down buildings I get from all those rainbows I grab...

Maybe finally there will be a pot of gold at the end of the being a rainbow from now on.