Originally
posted by
mdevol:
If the kid wasn't stealing fluff in the first place, this wouldn't have even been an issue.
There is no such thing as "baiting" somebody to steal...
Sure there is. That's not saying you "caused" them to steal, e.g., that they wouldn't have stolen if you hadn't deliberately set out "bait" -- although that IS possible. The "bait" might be the trigger for an impulsive act of burglary as opposed to a premeditated act. None of that makes it "OK" for this kid or any other to be in someone's garage stealing their property, but it seems clear their intent was to "bait" a thief into that garage.
Originally
posted by
mdevol:
The kid is a punk, did he deserve death? Probably not, but he was not forced to go to that garage and steal was he? If he wasn't doing what he wasn't supposed to do, none of this would have happened.
You can strike "probably" IMO. An unarmed person does not deserve death for petty theft. Ever. We're talking about a human life.
Originally
posted by
mdevol:
If someone walks into my garage at night and is rummaging through my stuff, you better believe I will come out with a gun. Especially if there had been a string of thefts happening recently.
If there was a string of thefts happening, I would hope you wouldn't deliberately set up conditions that make your "castle" ripe for theft. This was a reckless reaction (or, judging by his comments at the hairdresser, very NOT reckless, premeditated) that led to a worst possible outcome.
Originally
posted by
mdevol:
How did they know this man came out with no warning and started shooting if the victim is dead? Did he admit to it or is that just what sounds better to them? Were there witnesses that have come forward? There are a lot of missing details in this article that are important to see what actually happened.
From the article, he and his wife:
"Kaarma told police that he heard a noise from the darkened garage that sounded like metal on metal and that he was afraid the intruder would leave the garage and harm him. He said he could not see into the garage and did not warn anybody that he would shoot.
Pflager turned on the exterior lights, making it even more difficult to see inside, Kaarma said.
Pflager told police that when Kaarma reached the open garage door she heard him say "Hey, hey" and chamber a shell into his shotgun, according to the probable cause affidavit. Pflager then heard the man inside the garage say "hey" or "wait" and then Kaarma fired four shots in quick succession into the dark garage.
Kaarma said the entire incident occurred in 7 to 8 seconds, and that it took him only about 2 seconds to fire all four rounds."
I understand your distrust of the media and do tend to approach media with skepticism, but unless they are GROSSLY misrepresenting or omitting facts here, every indication points to a premeditated act by someone who decided that he had the right to take someone else's life because they or someone else had taken his stuff.
As Angel1 said, and I could not agree more: "The prosecutor must prove their case. However, if the full scope of evidence is consistent with the information in the article, then this is not the castle doctrine. If the full scope of evidence is consistent with the information in the article, then this is murder. "
BILL
