Originally
posted by
mrford:
Bottom line, at it's core my point is that this is an alliance server.
pretty much none of you can dispute that because a good number of you argue this when untag rights come up.
You use your alliance for:
allies, including teh leeching and what not
suicider protection
tag protection through pacts and dedicated retallers
FA teams that fight for reps if/when you are done wrong
All of these points help you in every imaginable way netting. This is an alliance server, correct? So there is nothing wrong with any of this.
Now that that is established, you are trying to put a limit on the level of an alliance server it is. You can use your alliance for EVERYTHING except FA packages and market buyouts?
Is it an alliance server or not? If it is a true alliance server, and it isn't against the set rules for the server, it should be allowed, correct?
Is there distinctions on the scores lists wether you were All-X? What about if you tech leeched? How about if you farmed untags and small clans relentesly and your clan killed that untag because he retalled in an "unacceptable maner" therefore eleminating the threat and you didn't have to waste a turn
there isn't, all of these scenarios help you increase your networth. You can run low defense countries all set long if you wanted to correct?
So why can't a clan put the extra effort into projecting a member or two into the top 10? Is it because you just don't like it? It sure isn't because it is against the rules, because it isn't. Farming untags to get 50k acres and not getting retalled because you have tag protection is pretty extreme as well, but it isn't against the rules either. I havnt seen anyone push for astrick next to those coutries.
So my question is, why do you get to look down on them, and call their finishes "unlegit" just because you don't agree with that style of play? What if they don't agree with hitting the same untag 30 times a day for a entire set? Do they get to call your finish unlegit?
All I'm trying to say is don't sit there and look down a these people for working together to put a country into the top 10 when you benefit greatly from your clan as well. The only difference is they used their ALLIANCE in an ALLIANCE server a little more extensively to finish up high. It isn't a single persons coutry at that point in time, it is a country with that alliances tag in the top 10 and everyone who helped that coutry get there was a part of that top 10
I really don't care either way, I am playing the devils advocate here and arguing against the grain because you all seem to be too stubborn to even attempt to see the other side. You will argue that it wasn't a solo effort. Well, it wasn't, but it was done on an alliance server, as an alliance wide effort
I see nothing wrong at all about that.
i've posted this before but i think the way you define alliance is not the right way. As long as any action you take benefits yourself and other alliance members without sacrificing the NW of other alliance members, then it should be legit. Otherwise it's not.
So the following should be legit:
-tech allies: mutually beneficial
-suicider protection: mutually beneficial
-tag protection: mutually beneficial
-FA teams that fight for reps: mutually beneficial
-bushel clearing: beneficial for most, not harmful for others
The following should not be considered legit:
-landfarming your own alliance: hurts one or more country for the sake of another country (an exception can possibly be made for countries that are about to leave/quit)
-buyouts: hurts countries doing the buyouts
-FA: countries sacrificing their finish for others
-GSing into DR: wasted turns for those GSing
