I am! http://wh.gov/lE5Ib

Tell Obama to make a decision already!

I'm fully certain this will work...

Well, he can't go any slower.

i thought he had, and the most recent issue was.. nebraska(?) judge overruled some sort of previous ruling, stalling it? i don't know.. i just hope we don't end up selling the oil to china :(

Good luck!

internet petitions

prayer


which is more effective? discuss

Where did you think it was going to go? The US is the world's largest exporter of gasoline. Over 60% of the crude from Alberta and North Dakota is exported. And where do you think it's heading. Hint, a massive country in an economic expansion where a middle class wealthy enough to own cars is being born....

Bonus.

fair, but we export it through said pipeline to america, for them to export it then to china?

and surely with such a massive infrastructure, they'll be buying (they being the chinese) boatloads from the middle east as is, as well?

Obama doesn't give a rat's ass about the pipeline. It will bring jobs and jobs make people money, and that is NOT what he wants.

It's harder to oppress a people when they can buy ammunition.

The point of the pipeline is to get it to US refineries. Where it goes from there is a market decision.

I'm sick of the pipeline issue, especially the environmental front of it. Why the environmental movement is focused on the U.S. pipeline decision instead of taking the Canadians to task for developing it in the first place is beyond me...

Look at this, for example, a Canadian comes to D.C. to explain why we should stop the pipeline due to the negative health effects being seen in Canada..... I mean, WTF. Maybe he should be talking to his own government!!!

http://globalnews.ca/...-oilsands-health-effects/

China is going to buy the oil.

it still has only 1 vote...

you're so retarded it hurts

At least I've done something.

meh, we'd be better off diversifying our petro exports away from the US anyway, and better to get the world market price.

Kinder morgan and Canada east pipelines will go through (and the way things are going, they'll probably both be approved before the keystone decision is made)

You must be riding on the liberal lemming bandwagon, Trife.

You know it's been proven that liberalism is a mental disorder.

LOL!!!!

+10

I clicked that link to the petition and it says

SIGNATURES NEEDED BY MARCH 28, 2014 TO REACH GOAL OF 100,000
99,999

TOTAL SIGNATURES ON THIS PETITION
1

tis true.

YOUR MY BOY BLUE!!!!!!

where you been fella? not in prison i hope :(

bare with me, please- but canada will sell the raw or crude or whatever you call it, down to america.. america will refine it, turn around and sell it to china?

while, at the same time, importing crude/refined/whatever from the middle east.. ?

i understand you not teaching me global business trade, but dare i ask for a website that might? there's only so much i can glean from fox news (which kind of maybe only focuses on the issue of LOST JOBS FOR AMERICANS, OBAMA HATES AMERICANS WORKING..)
right, so to avoid that aspect of the conversation, anybody have anything?

Cerberus, ammo is cheap as fluff. I'm not sure what you're talking about...

http://static6.businessinsider.com/...-next-up-is-indonesia.jpg

This resource is a bit old, but you'll find lots of great info in it... Page 11 in particular starts to talk about refining. Keep in mind that a lot has changed since 2005, but the basics are useful:

http://www.api.org/...lgas/upload/oilprimer.pdf

Some of the key takeaways are that there are MANY markets at work here. Various type/qualities of crude oil, various types/qualities of refined oil, further markets in petroleum based products. Add on the changing transportation system/market, changes in regulatory/taxation over time and the fact that many of these deals are long-term contracts...

And yes, you end up with a system where a company may have a 15-year contract to import something to country A (maybe they don't have their own crude supply, i.e. not vertically integrated) while company B is also exporting something similar under another deal (maybe they are a vertically integrated crude supplier with periodic excess crude vs. refining capacity). What is appropriate on the spot market at any given time is not directly related to the import/export levels of longer term deals, etc.

I am vastly oversimplifying it, of course, as this is one of the most valuable and strategic business and political markets in the world. We didn't even go into the pure politics side of it...

More resources:

http://science.howstuffworks.com/...ergy/crude-oil-market.htm

oh, and here's one I didn't even read because OMG it gets more technical than I care for. (i.e., I'm lazy):

http://www.oxfordenergy.org/...em-BassamFattouh-2011.pdf

The pipeline will create zero jobs.
The pipeline will not be maintained at all, because that would cost money.

When the pipeline breaks [not if], the crude will seep into the Ogallala aquifer, the chief resource in the midwest for our farmland.
When the pipeline breaks, the company responsible for the cleanup will not fund it with the dollars they "assert" they will spend to legislatures in order to achieve passage.

Creating energy is a nasty business. But pipeline operators must be held to significantly stricter regulation and oversight than they are now.

Until those regulations are in place and judges are willing to issue multi-million dollar fines because of them, keystone is a bad idea.

Maybe they are a bit more worried about Ukraine right now?

I don't understand why they'd build a pipeline to transport the stuff when they can just zip it up and email it. God...

You are hurting my brain.

If he doesn't want people to have money, why is he attempting to raise the minimum wage?

Further to Atryns reply, the US is the largest refiner in the world; you guys export a lot of refined product (gasoline even):

This is as good of a thread as any to add this comment to:

bonus.

You have to examine the counter factual.
In this case the counter factual is rail. If the pipeline doesn't get built then the oil will be transported by rail instead, this is well known.

Rail is statistically far less safe and spills far more oil per barrel transported than pipelines.

Seems silly to me to block pipelines on the basis of safety when they are the safest mode of transport.

The first part of the first main point of your first link, "First, crude oil and petroleum products are global commodities" is the most important key concept that so many people do not understand.

It is also worth noting that the US does not have sufficient rail infrastructure to handle significant increases in oil transportation. Lines will be super clogged. Passengers will suffer first.

i don't care what deserters think :)

also this.

apparently the tea party members haven't mastered the whole 'buying things of the interwebs' thing yet

I guess you havent heard, hes a wiosshy washey person who thinks he has power but dosn't know how to use it

first youll have to have to get a petition through to get his head out of his ass, and the EPAs head out of their collective asses, cuz that fluff is being drilled but whether its china or us who get the fluffin oil is up to them

To me the issue isn't a pipeline per se but the chosen route for the pipeline...
Train/Truck to ship is much more dangerous:P

Where do you get off calling me a deserter, Trife? I freakin' served, boy. I was punchin holes in the ocean while you were still flufftin yella.

You haven't got a freakin' clue what you're talking about. Who are you anyway... Robert Redford?

I work for TransCanada. I know the facts. Not only is this the safest design in the history of pipelines, but maintenance is paramount. If you'd get your head out of your ass long enough to do a little research and report FACTS instead of CRAP, you'd know that this pipeline will create TENS OF THOUSANDS of jobs in the U.S. immediately, and many of those jobs will be around for years into the future.

You would also know that a new route has been proposed around the Ogallala aquifer, and that the route has been accepted by just about everyone but Robert Redford, Daryl Hannah, and, apparently, YOU.

If you can't take the time to research and speak about it intelligently, then keep your head in your ass where at least you'll be muffled and unable to do any more harm to this proposal, which has already somehow become the whipping boy for every environmental cause in the damned free world.

TBH, if you're going to get a pipeline built in the US you'll definitely want Canadians building it. We will take better care of your country than any American/British energy company would.

<3

I thought Canadians were evil incarnate, hell bent on spreading Canadian Bacon and hockey.

Wait, what did you think we're going to send down the pipeline?? Oil?? hah!

I knew you guys had a secret agenda.
Now it is all clear

To put more people out of work, of course, qz. Sorry that such lofty concepts hurt your brain, it will lessen if you start training your brain to actually think instead of just parroting the liberal lemming agenda.

the minium wage thing is just a pawn in the game of the haves and have nots. he has and dont really care about the have-nots. except if your a young minioral person of which he is taking a personal intrest in to see that they get ahead in this world. So screw everyone else.

he got his so what does he care.

I really hope Cerberus doesn't actually believe the stuff he says and is doing a Stephen Colbertesque schtick....

Pang: I want a maple syrup pipeline from Canada...