Mar 3rd 2011, 14:19:29
I appreciate H4's intention to lay out his case for not showing PDM any respect. Over the span of 8 years, you were the target of suiciders from the PDM tag and feel like each situation was dealt with poorly. This thread turned into mindless flaming pretty early, so I'll try to keep my flaming strictly to SS. :P
Being privy only to the most recent example, I will say we were paying out the ass per your terms (which were mafia-esque, but hey, that's appropriate given your chosen persona). Obviously this didn't make us happy, as IIRC thatguy had been detagged for 72 hrs as someone else mentioned, but we were indeed paying up. SS is the one of the worst Earth personalities I've encountered, and was a total d-bag to TAN during all negotiations. SS is the paragon of the LaF-as-entitled-douchebag stereotype, and eventually we were like fluff it, we've already paid more reps than any other alliance on the server would reasonably demand, and SS's existence made us depressed to be human beings, so we stopped paying.
Hanlong's message to us all set was that we shouldn't judge LaF this set by the actions of its leaders in the past. With SS gone, that is a compelling argument. Felt like we made some inroads this set, despite the fact that you gamed your knowledge of RD's FS to your advantage, at least enshula & hanlong were willing to talk respectfully and intelligently.
I don't know if it's even worth mentioning again as you continue to selectively ignore it, but it's spin to keep saying that we did harmful ops as retals on you this set. We did not. Some n00b stole $25m worth of tech from you, and we told you to put him on farm. You didn't, you farmed our tag indiscriminately instead. It was a lapse in judgment on your part that you acknowledged publicly, and contributed greatly to the escalation of things. It's nub to keep trying to pin all blame on PDM this set when you've already admitted otherwise.
So in sum, I can see why you don't like PDM. IDK if you can see why we don't like LaF (it's pretty obvious, but it's hard to be self-aware). At the end of the day, we can either continue this cycle set after set, or, in the absence of leaders like SS, maybe we can work things out. The dialogue between LT, Forgotten, SS, and TGD doesn't help, but maybe it's possible. We all know AT is just a troll playground, so I'm optimistic LaF/PDM can be resolved in private.
That said, it's probably an ill-founded optimism, because other than hanlong's apology, it seems the prevailing attitude from LaF is still "we don't like you, we will not admit fault, and we will continue to abuse you because we like taking your land." Seems you don't want peace or resolution because then you'd have less people to bully. I understand that from your strategic perspective, but it's unsustainable.