That’s racist Karnage….

If you say so, report it. P.S. I remember one of your own people told weezy that when the going gets tough mexicans run for the border. Yet, because your all pals, it's not a rascist comment. I believe it was Chevs who said that? No doubt whoever said it, he will probably edit that comment. Funny how you can insult eachother as friends, but adversaries are rascists. Gimme a break.

You don't understand the difference, because you don't have friends.

I'm not reading all this cuz you guys fluff soooo much. What you need is 200 new players and 5 decent alliances to join the game, and you'll stop having your period over every episode of griefing and FAing countries to the top spot.

If you say so, report it. P.S. I remember one of your own people told weezy that when the going gets tough mexicans run for the border. Yet, because your all pals, it's not a rascist comment. I believe it was Chevs who said that? No doubt whoever said it, he will probably edit that comment. Funny how you can insult eachother as friends, but adversaries are rascists. Gimme a break.

I totally understand, hey can we be friends? I have some choice things Id like to say to you and everyone to be more than okay with it. Whaddya say..friend? I'll even buy us those friend necklaces and send you the other half.

That has been brought up _many_ times already, Cath. It's not a novel idea you mention here. They would instead enforce artificial gameplay on the Alliance server.

It's Qz's/Pang/Slag's game, so they can do as they please. At least I won't be a part of it for much longer.

I will vote with my daily active user count or lack thereof. Not to mention a patron, coin-buying user. Not that it matters much :p

I don't see the Patron badge under your name...

If you say so, report it. P.S. I remember one of your own people told weezy that when the going gets tough mexicans run for the border. Yet, because your all pals, it's not a rascist comment. I believe it was Chevs who said that? No doubt whoever said it, he will probably edit that comment. Funny how you can insult eachother as friends, but adversaries are rascists. Gimme a break.

If you get what you want then why would you care if I decided to play a bot farming server? I don’t understand your urge to control others game experience if you can have exactly what you want as well. There is no reason you have to control others just so you can do what you want with your time.

I like the wars and I like netting but I don’t understand the raging over your inability to AB some n00b who plays the game for their first time. Actually just seems like a **** thing to do which was my original point if you read my posts above.

The problem is that the owner-operators of the game decided to instead implement artificial gameplay on one server vs. making a pvp and pve server…

IMO

So maybe a better way to go about this would be to create a GDI netting server and keep the original alliance the way it is. That seems like it’s closer to something everyone agree on. But then the netters will be upset their scores aren’t considered real but they aren’t real scores if you are hiding so it’s a fair point as well to say those scores deserve to be on the n00b server if they can’t hang on this server.


Handicapping the server so they can win is a very fair point to argue is favoritism

I'd appreciate such an announcement. Getting blindsided sucks.

Why would this be necessary? I wouldn't want to be locked into a clan when I am no longer affiliated with them.

I think people will avoid hitting bots all together if it's not worth the risk.

It's nice not having to worry about suiciders. On the other hand, there is less incentive to even have spies now.

In regards to marketing:
I don't believe that marketing this game will be wise while we haven't addressed the player retention problem.

This is part of the reason why clan GDI is a thing in the first place. In general, people don't like the idea of spending weeks building up something only to have it gone in a flash. I doubt any potential new player we may end up with would want to stick around for that.

To address this specific problem, it'd be a start to:
- Drastically decrease expenses and food consumption;
- Drastically decrease the cost to construct buildings; and
- Drastically increase build per turn.

I believe these changes would result in: players quickly recovering from attacks while still retaining the ability to finish with a good score; make griefing less effective; increase engagement between players/PVP; and allow other strategies such as industrial communist to be yet another good choice to play.

In regards to adding costs:
Adding expenses to clan GDI will likely result in a meta where most netters will stop using clan GDI to stay competitive for netting purposes. Then we'd be back to square one with problems unsolved. The perfect example of this is the GDI feature for individuals. The meta right now is to not use GDI to be able to attack more bots for land.

In regards to griefing in general:
It's a genuine problem, especially in games where it takes little to no effort to destroy than build. People in general would feel they're wasting their time. It'd be like building a house of cards while simultaneously dealing with multiple people armed with a leaf blower.

War game?
Can someone please link me to the exact page on the website that describes this game primarily as a "war game"? Please, no links to third party or user generate content. The home page does mention that we can engage in warfare, but it's not the primary objective.

I totally understand, hey can we be friends? I have some choice things Id like to say to you and everyone to be more than okay with it. Whaddya say..friend? I'll even buy us those friend necklaces and send you the other half.

I'll agree with Req and others. This is definitely a war game and war should have a big place here. The problem is the player base is too small to support healthy war, politics, diplomacy and all those dynamics.

Build a larger player base somehow, and I think you can fix a lot of these issues.

If you say so, report it. P.S. I remember one of your own people told weezy that when the going gets tough mexicans run for the border. Yet, because your all pals, it's not a rascist comment. I believe it was Chevs who said that? No doubt whoever said it, he will probably edit that comment. Funny how you can insult eachother as friends, but adversaries are rascists. Gimme a break.

I'll agree with Req and others. This is definitely a war game and war should have a big place here. The problem is the player base is too small to support healthy war, politics, diplomacy and all those dynamics.

Build a larger player base somehow, and I think you can fix a lot of these issues.

For once I agree with you blackhole.

"go to war..."

I don't care about your opinion on the matter anyway. You've proven to be a waste of time to talk to, as every convo with you is circular.

We used to war people so we could farm them, I did that three times ago winning off farming MD. I might have been the last one to use war to win.

Imagine, if you will: the possibility of engaging in war, winning it, and still having the chance to finish in rank one.

Yeah it's awesome. To do that again would require a bunch of changes to the game.

Back in the day we'd be able to hit another aliance, then if they got too agressive in response we'd kill their retallers and then openly farm them for huge proffit.

To do this we'd need to, at a minimum, have bot alliances programed to act like this. Probably more game modifications to allow for it as well.

Yep, and you blame us for killing the game, lol. LaF has been running people out of the game for decades :D

Yep, and you blame us for killing the game, lol. LaF has been running people out of the game for decades :D

I posted that exact same tid bit of information about the old ways of LaF months ago when we started this entire war / griefing argument circle jerk months ago lol

Finally it is nice to see another long time LaF member acknowledge how we did things under TC / Solid Snake / Vic and even Gerdler eras.

I played there for over a decade and was trained to be one of the biggest fluff players around. If anything I still exemplify the ways of a true OG LaF player unlike all the soft woke snowflakes of todays LaF.

Man we should make LaF great again and restore them to their former glory days lol

That’s what some of the guys are saying. LAF should just have their own server if all they want to do is grab bots. They are currently and literarily the only clan that can’t survive outside of clanGDI, that’s due to them committing diplomatic suicide, forum trash talk, and then losing 6 countries to kill 1 Superfly. They said they attacked EVO because of… FAs? but we have screenshots of Gains saying they did it because of Requiem/Microtek. They will never admit otherwise though, but we all know the truth.

I think there should be a cost associated with entering clanGDI. Someone not in that clangdi bears the brunt of all of the risks, and should be rewarded appropriately. Half of the bots should be tagged up and clangdi folks can’t hit them, only non GDI folks can. There should also be a financial cost to it, removing risks should cost something.

Then there’s also the unintended consequences of griefers having less targets to exert their gameplay, instead of being able to attack any clan, they’re just limited to non-GDI players. Keep in mind that the majority of the recent griefers are a product of LAF by the way, like Rokkie. ClanGDI should pay a tax to non-gdi players for increasing the risks to them.

Do people care about this still?

LoL - get outside, nerds.

Do people care about this still?

LoL - get outside, nerds.