It's interesting all of the PDMers who say the suiciding is stupid and then suggest that the issue is that the suiciders are hitting the wrong alliance. Way to pass the buck.

I also think what TSO did was lame. I also agree with Bobby about the lack of moral justification for NOT retaling cross-server. The issue isn't that their countries died in team, it's that their enjoyment is gone. Not that I condone the idea, but if you are going to go an eye for an eye, the goal would not to be to fight on team (which is what TSO would like) but to reduce their enjoyment in some fashion (in this case cross-server retal). I would not participate myself, and I would not like myself or my alliance to be targeted, but in general this is exactly the tactics that suiciding entails. You cannot directly fight your enemy on common ground and you are forced to "fight dirty". Innocents are often casualties. It's sad, but it does bring focus on the situation...

While I am not sure of who all is part of TSO, I have doubts about Neofed members being involved as it is newly reformed and a lot of those guys don't seem to have ever played EE at all. If Neofed was mentioned because of Boltar specifically, he plays in SoF as has been stated before. I don't really know too many players in the other alliances or I would speak for them as well.

In general, I'm pretty sure that these suiciders are not attacking Pang in the hopes of affecting server change through him specifically. That seems like a rather egocentric view from Pang's part, as AxA insinuated. While it is easy to understand that admins in general only have so much free time and that it is split between making EE better and playing, I think it is poor form to allude to a player's in game actions as an attack on the game enhancement itself.

Pang: The extra personal attack on AxA also seems really uncalled for. It's like you were just waiting for him to comment on you in public so that you could play that 'card'. I wish that I could express how little respect I have for you without insulting you, because I am appreciative of the work you do for this game, but I very much disagree with some of your actions and statements.

Sir Balin:

I wasn't trolling.

I was suggesting:

a) cross-server suiciding makes sense if your goal is to ruin fun
b) Originally Pang didn't know who was in TSO and who wasn't, except that Boltar was in SoF and he repeatedly said to spread the love to them. Of course he included his patented happy face, so I'm sure it was just a joke. He then listed the locations of a few other players and another PDM member gave a list of alliances which might have some TSO players. All in all, how does this not seem like you're giving out names to protect yourselves? Why can't you just argue that a)they shouldn't be cross-server suiciding and b) there was no reason to hit PDM (as opposed to giving them names of people they should specifically hit...)

I rate your troll a 7/10 though. I'm sure you'll do better next time.

I'm okay with yours Chaoswind. You state your points; I agree that suiciding on the wrong people doesn't make much sense. Telling them that you are the wrong people is reasonable.

Your synopsis of team server is disputable and irrelevant, but as such I don't feel the need to respond. I hope you are not disappointed that am not offended by your "troll".

I typically don't respond to you Locket because you constantly try to derail topics and distract from the point at hand, but since you're personally making this about me, I feel I should defend myself:

As mentioned above, I don't respect pang for a lot of reasons, and none of them have to do with his LaF days. I respected his sentiments about war alliances and how we all could work to make the game better and more enjoyable as a whole.

You're right though, I'm sure my disdain for Pang personally attacking someone who criticized a silly post of his is all about LaF... I'm sure you won't get the sarcasm since your response to any of my posts is to state I'm biased because I disagree with you. Please refrain from speaking with respect to my intentions because you are always wrong. I'm off for a few drinks with friends now though, so please don't waste either of our times by responding. Thanks.

when will LCNers stop being deleted for rule violations in single player servers?

Also FBI killed people for no reason in team is less worse than us killing for a bad reason in alliance? No way can you spin us as worse from that. You can just pretend they are random suicides.

PP this is fluffing pathetic dude? Aren't you a current or former Imag player? I could be wrong but either way it is stupid as hell.

Axa, just as sad what you are saying. I bet you anything if it was Sanct being suicided your mood would change. Pathetic.


And as for the team "heroes", all I can ask you is this. Where were you when other clans ruined the team server in the past? What about when RD was ruining it and killing anyone who landgrabbed any of their tags etc? Not much difference there.

Ah okay yes. When an alliance member gets deleted in primary/tournament then that means suicide his alliance on a different server. Makes sense! p.s. when did that happen? a year and half ago? :)

TSO Members list:
Purposeful1
MAC
Assassin
Theseus
Trife
Deci

I never suicided on you for high leadership getting deleted on primary/tourney. I'm just throwing it out for fun ;) I can post names if you still want to wiggle around. Starts with A and an R.


I suicided on you for tag killing us on team for no reason like 5hours after you killed us. On 1 country who was playing a country there. This seemingly had no effect on you as. We were tag killed soon after again by FBI&WOG for no reason. Next set some of our members suicided whole of LCN as there were 5-10 of you playing in FBI. This time you seemed to get the message and we haven't had any trouble since then.

A couple of suiciders on PDM and pang threatens to shut down the Team server. LOL

He has has made more statements about this then the fact that for the last 4 resets on Alliance, the exact same thing has been happening except on a coalition scale. i.e. wars for no reason apart from tryhing to get players to quit.

The reason for his hypocrisy and inaction? LaF/SOF are the ones doing it.

You are the wrong person to be leading this game. All you do (supposedly) is 'talk' about changes on your 'admin forum'. Less BS, less self interest, less hypocrisy. Do something.

Thanks. We have some countries left, this is useful information.

Trife: we haven't hit you over TSO stuff? Why do you keep on whining about LCN associated with it.

Assassin: So you got undeleted once and that makes you a saint? What about the other times you got deleted by mods, did you get undeleted those times as well? I remember atleast 1 express deletion, and it wasn't the first time either.

Well you really had 2 options.

1. Talking to us and correcting our mistake.
2. Have few of your members come to the boards and call us idiots.

I'm sure one of them is way more effective.

I find all the people calling PP a moron rather amusing. You say he didn't address the issue, but he hit where people noticed.

A couple powerful and influential people in PDM went and did abusive things with disregard for the consequences for their community and now they are crying because some of those abused people lashed back in a way that might lead to change.

I fluffing hate it when people claim to be a different person on this server or that or in game or out of game like the rules of right and wrong change. Hi, my name is Mike Bartlett and I don't pretend for anyone. It's too bad for those in PDM who do not recognize what they did wrong, but they deserve to know: They kept company with people who behaved badly and took no responsibility their people.

PP didn't lash out at all the people who deserved it, but 4% isn't blameless. What he did do was lash out at people who have the power to lead trends and set standards for behavior. That was smart PP.

So PDM doesn't tell its members how to behave? Well maybe they should start. You reap what you sew.

I find all the people calling PP a moron rather amusing. You say he didn't address the issue, but he hit where people noticed.

A couple powerful and influential people in PDM went and did abusive things with disregard for the consequences for their community and now they are crying because some of those abused people lashed back in a way that might lead to change.

I fluffing hate it when people claim to be a different person on this server or that or in game or out of game like the rules of right and wrong change. Hi, my name is Mike Bartlett and I don't pretend for anyone. It's too bad for those in PDM who do not recognize what they did wrong, but they deserve to know: They kept company with people who behaved badly and took no responsibility their people.

PP didn't lash out at all the people who deserved it, but 4% isn't blameless. What he did do was lash out at people who have the power to lead trends and set standards for behavior. That was smart PP.

So PDM doesn't tell its members how to behave? Well maybe they should start. You reap what you sew.

Well you really had 2 options.

1. Talking to us and correcting our mistake.
2. Have few of your members come to the boards and call us idiots.

I'm sure one of them is way more effective.

Assuming this is geared toward PDM (can't keep track of all the mud being slung from your corner), I have been in private communication with PP. I explained how silly it was to target PDM when we had nothing to do with his beef on another server. He acknowledged as much, and then offered that if we didn't kill the suicider countries (ostensibly so that they could hit another tag), the would give us reps in the form of letting us two-step them as they hit other tags. lol. hence we came here calling you idiots, idiots.

PP, I drastically underestimated your stones my man. You sir have a set. Seriously, the offer stands.

i wasnt aware killing people for attacking you was ruining a server? apparently in retardland killing off a whole server for fun with the express intent to ruin the server is the same thing.

awesome logic.

A couple of suiciders on PDM and pang threatens to shut down the Team server. LOL

He has has made more statements about this then the fact that for the last 4 resets on Alliance, the exact same thing has been happening except on a coalition scale. i.e. wars for no reason apart from tryhing to get players to quit.

The reason for his hypocrisy and inaction? LaF/SOF are the ones doing it.

You are the wrong person to be leading this game. All you do (supposedly) is 'talk' about changes on your 'admin forum'. Less BS, less self interest, less hypocrisy. Do something.