SO, after the initial FS period, we have the following:

M4D: 891 hits, 0 kills, 31 countries at start of war.

SoL: 1774 hits, 8 kills, 25 countries at start of war, 222 HPK
STONES: 98 hits, 0 kills 11 countries at start of war.

Overall stones/sol: 1872 hits, 8 kills, 234 HPK


Will try to update this every few days.

UPDATE May 22 11:44

M4D: 1567 hits, 2 kills, 784 HPK

SoL: 2747 hits, 10 kills, 275 HPK, 1326 defends, 1 death
Stones: 318 hits, 1 Kill, 318 HPK, 241 defends, 1 death

SoL/Stones total: 3065 hits, 11 kills, 279 HPK.

I am confused in life. I thought you were PDM?

PDM / M4D same thing. Just like Mercs / Evo same thing.

I am in Paradigm.
I'm also a neutral 3rd party, and know everyone wants to see the scores :P

Superfly:
Not quite. there is a nice core of former PDM players over there, which is why we are close to M4D, but we are also still separate and do our own things.

bro i am just kidding around. I know PDM is separate like Evo is. I am just clowning around for the people who think otherwise lol

I got the joke lol

We all know where drow leans,

No point in pointing that out and giving the guy a hard time

Cheers, but let's NOT have another thread derailed by the usual suspects? :P

Does where I personally lean matter if I keep my alliance neutral, and honour both the spirit and letter of my pacts? :)

Idk if you’re completely neutral from what I’ve seen in a very concerning screenshot that was shared to me. But the again you’ve never done anything bad to us so I’ll agree to disagree today.


Also nice job on sol and their partners on defending themselves from a FS and counter-striking! Great job defenders (SoL n Allies).

As someone who has both played with and against most people here, among other things and with no current country, I feel the need to say two things.

1. Drow is good people, especially if you don't break your word with him.

2. Good luck, have fun, and for the sake of whichever deity you prefer keep it lighthearted. It's no fun letting the hate spew relentlessly. Keeping the venom down might even bring some people back, or help them decide to stay with a less toxic atmosphere.

I tried to tell em.

Please include more context

maybe the post above his could be a clue?

Empy is perfectly capable of speaking for himself.

Oh sure...

ELVES - I tried to tell coalie, and blackhole, and kittykat, and my friend SF, and my friend suicidal, and some other coalitions that like to gang up on people for no reason that their toxicity is making new people and returning vets leave, as they realize the game is full of toxic hate mongers still.

Well, at least i told one of those people....I can't remember which of you....but at least one.

didn’t you guys FS sol? Seems like they’re just defending themselves at this point

War has changed a lot in the past few years and people who have no warring experience since E2025 are sadly not up to pace with it. It is a bit of a learning curve unless you have experienced war leaders.

I dont think I asked you to change the subject.

I mean, it was obvious we were gonna get hit. You can play dumb all you want, but the writing was on the wall. Plus you all got ratted out. So, thats the info yah gotta act on I guess. If i get told that I'm getting a hammer to the head, Im definitely gonna hit whoever that is before they get to me to alleviate the blow. Ill take some hits in the fight, but, At least now there's a chance to block a couple whacks. ya know?

I dont know what you're excuse for MKR is, I mean, Darkness hitting the new kid on the block makes sense, a little hazing, But FREEDOM and BAD4u, and your little pal BH jumping in, I mean....I guess I understand weakness needing to attacking in groups ? Not sure why, but I get it....gotta look tough in front of your friends. I understand.

I wont hold a grudge against you darkies.. but the others, i make no promises.

Im refering to the hijacking of every single thread ever posted to fight about the same old fluff and call people cheaters without proof. Except that one guy that was already outed 4 months ago. That kind of toxicity.

But anyways....whatever. Que sera sera.

Further to the above, SOL, Mercs, SoF and LAF (before they folded) cut their teeth fighting each other constantly and each set ramped it up ever so slightly over the previous set.

Walling is such a huge factor and target selection ever more important. In E2025 you didn't need to study your targets so much to work out whether you could kill it. Having a ton of troops also does not stop you from dying like it used to.

People in E2025 never had to employ the tactics used today to kill wallers.

I aint mad. I just gotta learn all their tricks, like spying on discords, camping in bot IRC's, sending screen shots of fake conversations with people they talk into trusting them. Stuff like that.

I don't know what you've been shared, but Paradigm is pacted out. We will not break pacts or break our word.
It's literally that simple.

As I said to you directly.
a bunch of the folks over at M4D are former Paradigm players, so they are like family to us.
Yes, I am close to M4D as a direct result of that, but, I'm also not going to break the bond that I have given to other alliances.
That's simple respect.

Also, like I said to Dark Demon, if I was in M4D's position, and an alliance I pacted in good faith, had nearly half their players jump into a tag I was fairly sure was shaping up to war me, I'd be PISSED too.
There's no spinning that in a good way man.

If Paradigm members had jumped into M4D, be honest, you'd have hit the roof.
We haven't, because again, I don't believe in that sort of thing.

So yeah, regardless of my personal leanings, I still put Paradigm first.

All I can I say is this. M4D kept their word. We said we're shaking up the server. Well, its shaken up, so, we accomplished one of our goals. Next set, we can work on some other ones.

Hi Drow,

I hopeth that thee are well and keepeth up these wonderous results.

Academus, xMD, xPDM

Hey Aca!

Ticking over as always man, not enough hours in the day these days though, I swear to god!

Should come visit our discord, or come play a set sometime, join the rest of us old faces :P

He is right.
Nothing against you Coalie.
There are a lot of folks doing it and it has been going on for a while. I am pretty sure that the ones doing it know they are doing it.

I even got wrapped up in it sometimes.
I dont like that. I am making a concentrated effort to remain more stable and less like some of the folks we know....

Sometimes however, I have a bit of Dr Jeckyll/Mr Hyde thing happen like a switch.
It's not my fault, I'm Sicilian.

Drow - do you have any insight as to why M4D didn't pact SoL at the beginning of the round like they did with Mercs?

Why don't you ask the M4D FA?
Everyone had their chance.

His name is Jouster.

That's
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Sir...Jouster. (SER JOWSTEEEERRRRRRR)

Empy - Had their chance?


That reads like a threat....



I'm asking, why didn't M4D pursue, actively, trying to pact out with SoL?

Or did you?

why do make everything a threat???

At the beginning of the set, I think everyone was approached.

FFS. not everything is a fight for F's sake.

SO let me rephrase this one more time...

ASK JOUSTER. Pretty sure he can tell you what we did throughout the set.

I have no idea. I was IA at the get go. I am all but retired from that spot now.

k

There yah go. Progress.

HOW CAN THEY BE OUT OF ROMAINE???

WTF is your problem california???? Where's my damn lettuce?!

Everything ok Empy?

The lettuce.

Its not in california.

Yes it is, in Salinas, Oxnard, Santa Maria and they grow some in the San Joaquin Valley as well.

None, I'm not in M4D.
There's various things flying around the boards, I believe Jouster in the initial war Dec post made reference to WeeZy choosing not to pact.
Basically, you know as much as I do, probably more, given you're in SoL.

Coalie posted in the M4D war dec the following:
"You idiots took in SOL's "blood oath" enemy (Terd Crawler) and offered him refuge. Then you expect them to pact you guys?"

That's possibly a part of it?

Lived in those areas...KoH is right.
Miss the garlic festival.

update dropped, in OP.

Thank you Drow.

If everyone can take their fluffing to another thread so we can focus on the warstats in this one, that'd be great.

Geez, just saw the updated stats. I've always disliked SOL and still do, but hot damn I always hated warring them for precisely this reason. Well done.

See? I knew I liked you for good reason.

FTR this is I am quite sure the longest my original country has survived in a war against SOL. Not total hits, but total hours.

SoL makes me so angry

Honestly, it's impressive from both sides.

SOL/Stones are absolutely dominant when it comes to warring, and you can't help but respect it. They've done a great job stonewalling and their HPK is pretty good.

And M4D you have to respect as well for listening to the constant fluffing and moaning from BlackHole, Josey and Coalie...like JFC they're like dagga on meth. I don't know how Leto avoids snapping at them, the man must have the patience of a saint.

And BH is right...he's not as seasoned as the rest of the vets, so that he was able to successfully stonewall is pretty impressive. With time as he learns to temper his fluff talk and refine it so that it's not just edgy whining all the time, he may follow in the footsteps of the legendary trolls of yore, like dagga and ivan.

All around a good war, I'm looking forward to the next update.

Oh, Leto has snapped at me. Many times. That's how I got the material for 'you insulted my wife'. He snapped that day in EE discord and provided me with some amazing material to use against him.

Tan - I do take a little offense to equating me with Cat or Josey. Nothing against either of them (not trying to pick fights right now), but my 'unhinged toxicity' is actually quite different then what they do. It may not be clear to outside observers (nor is it intended to be clear), but there is purpose and intention behind what I do. If you look closer, you might be able to see it!



This has been a fun war though. It's great to see activity in this server again. If we aren't warring, what are we all doing here?

Don’t ask us for a pact next set

Hi Drow.

I might come back to PDM for a set or 2 but you guys don't war any more?

I prefer war.