btw to put the "oldest alliance" argument to rest (and i was apparently a part of the original argument):

http://atarchive.gotdns.org:8080/...ivepost.jsp?thread=158332

"fingolfin
Patron Aug 9th, 2004 19:23
1. laf, tie in existence in april 98. i believe tie predated laf by one reset. tie came over from OOA

2. sol, icn june 98 they spun off from ucn

3 sept 98 nm, and omega started
"

and apparently i remembered more back then than now.. memories faded but after reading that everything came back to me...

here's a post i made that fingolfin (and all the other fogeys confirmed), i'm 100% sure what's on that thread is accurate since it was bunch of fogeys like us recollecting and verifying facts together...

hlw
Member Aug 10th, 2004 16:20
so sorry vilse for listing ICN as 1999, i later corrected myself as later 1998/1999 alilance, but i guess i'll fine tune it:

list of living alliances and when they came about

generation "0": (pre alliance server roots)
LaF (The Dons/SHIELD)
Ragnarok

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generation 1: (alliance server start)
LaF
Ragnarok (not sure, did they join when it started or they chose to stay in B?)
TIE
(major dead alliances from this era include OOA/TGA/RoCK/HAN/UCN/etc.)

generation 3: (after alliance server start)
SOL
ICN
NM
Omega
RAGE

generation 4: (post first world war)
LCN
MD

generation 5: (alliance tags formed)
Elitez


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so can we stop changing history now makinso? you were in diapers still when we fogeys were playing this game ;) let's not get carried away into being the official game historian here