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Donny

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Jul 24th 2012, 18:21:06

What constitutes a war victory?

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Jul 24th 2012, 18:54:28

out hitting and killing your opponent after there fs is a good start:

Good Guys
tag hits kills hpk defends deaths hpd
AoDT 94527 360 263 91890 346 266
LAB 3211 13 247 176 0
Total 97738 373 262 92066 346 266
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IMP 92066 346 266 97738 373 262
Total 92066 346 266 97738 373 262

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Jul 24th 2012, 19:19:28

Since when has hits become the paradigm of war in Earth? A failed hit is worth the same as a successful one....

Also, you can't say a kill is a kill either. They are not created equal. Killing an 800k country vs 8 mil is a big difference.

A war win must take NW into account.

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Crippler ICD

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Jul 24th 2012, 19:30:52

where did I say hits meant everything? I said it's a good start :P

here's a silly fact for you :P AoDT has 97 over 1 mil compared to your 54, to me that says the longer the war goes on the closer the nw gap will become.

But that's just my opinion

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SublimeNightmare

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Jul 24th 2012, 19:41:51

Fun fact. I have 13 originals.

Also, IMP's NW from start to finish has remained pretty much the same.

AoDT has lost more then double their current NW.

So, yes they have made strides to close the gap but their enemy is still just about the same size.

Hard to claim anything but a loss to say we have killed 360 countries but you haven't lost any NW.

http://www.earthgraphs.com/...9a8bb8aa9f0996fb4b69eda35

Using this, IMP has GAINED 53,000 NW per death while AoDT has LOST 782,000 NW per death. That is miles apart. While only having a 4% advantage in hits.

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Red X

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Jul 24th 2012, 19:59:52

ave nw in my eyes

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patriotffa

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Jul 24th 2012, 20:19:13

a victory has to have a scoring scale

tagkill(all original countries are dead)=3 points
hits=1 point
kills=2 points
total net=1 point
avg net=1 point

substantial statistics that can be measured and analyzed to create a concrete conclusion who the victor is

synoder

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Jul 24th 2012, 21:11:02

to me the 3 most important factors not in any order are kills,hits,and nw gain/loss. If you are outhitting and outkilling your opponent then it's a pretty good sign that you are winning but I guess if you are just killing small restarts oop or something then it could be skewed. In the long run though, if you are outhitting and outkilling them you will be able to overtake them in nw and breakers. I am not sure there is a clear set of statistics that you could use though cause every war is going to have different circumstances (ie. who got the fs, who has more countries, if someone was previously warring, etc...) In the end every war that I have been a part of has had a clear winner though, sometimes its just difficult during the middle to say who is winning.

Tin Man

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Jul 24th 2012, 21:14:22

dont forget activity/clan moral

synoder

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Jul 24th 2012, 21:21:41

well that might determine the winner but you can't really determine a winner by that.

to put things into context with the current cc vs imp war. If the war ended today I would say imp was the winner because they have more kills, about equal in hits, and have reduced cc's nw by 52mil and gained 342mil nw.

However, in the last week cc has outkilled imp 186 to 107 and outhit them 51k to 31.8k and closed the nw gap by 80 mil. So if CC can continue to step it up and close that gap a lot more and outkill them significantly in the next week it will be much harder to determine a clear winner.

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Jul 24th 2012, 21:44:53

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Jul 24th 2012, 22:03:18

I would have to agree with synoder. If the set went another month, at your current course it would have been a different story.

Although, I think there is something to say about when you started fighting back. I think if you got organized faster and maybe a little better activity, it would be a different story.

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Jul 24th 2012, 22:11:52

Originally posted by synoder:

... If you are outhitting and outkilling your opponent then it's a pretty good sign that you are winning but I guess if you are just killing small restarts oop or something then it could be skewed.

^This

Originally posted by synoder:

However, in the last week cc has outkilled imp 186 to 107 and outhit them 51k to 31.8k and closed the nw gap by 80 mil. So if CC can continue to step it up and close that gap a lot more and outkill them significantly in the next week it will be much harder to determine a clear winner.

This:

Originally posted by Primeval:

PS - I haven't called a warchat all this week and my countries have been at 120/120 for 3 days now without losing a single one. If you were looking for someone to care, that ship sailed a week and a half ago when Asing lost his last one.

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Jul 24th 2012, 22:37:53

Originally posted by SublimeNightmare:

hasnt CC been dropping 8-10m net IMP countries for a week now? so you just agreed with them lol

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Donny

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Jul 24th 2012, 22:55:46

excuse me this question wasn't directed towards imp. nubs

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patriotffa

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Jul 24th 2012, 23:56:10

yeah and if the set was a year longer too imp would come back after cc's comeback and win the war...

that point is moot since it has to be done within the set no matter what lol

people and their silly thoughts

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Jul 25th 2012, 0:15:32

If a tag is tag killed, that means the other side wins. End of story.

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Jul 25th 2012, 0:27:11

Sets only as long as it is.... If it were a month longer IMP would still be fighting full force. Like I said, nw is 3 to 1. Ties running out... This is where the crowd starts singing... Nah nah, nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey goodbye

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Jul 25th 2012, 0:38:16

IMP would also be more active now if we hadn't already won this weeks ago.

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mdevol

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Jul 25th 2012, 1:09:03

So wars are now decided by whoever gets tagkill first?

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Jul 25th 2012, 1:14:56

First? There has only been one tag kill.

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mdevol

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Jul 25th 2012, 1:15:01

I'm sure by asking NBK donny was looking for a neutral party in this. Clearly IMP started netting weeks ago.

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Jul 25th 2012, 1:17:33

I could start killing again if you like.

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synoder

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Jul 25th 2012, 1:18:18

Originally posted by mdevol:

I'm sure by asking NBK donny was looking for a neutral party in this. Clearly IMP started netting weeks ago.

I think that is the first time NBK and nuetral have ever been mentioned in the same sentence :)

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Jul 25th 2012, 1:37:35

I see it this way, IMP invaded and conquered CC lands, but the resistance is slowly regaining control of the lands :)

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Rico

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Jul 25th 2012, 1:38:49

Originally posted by Warster:

but the resistance is slowly regaining control of the lands :)

Not really.

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patriotffa

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Jul 25th 2012, 1:43:01

lets say warster, they are regaining control, they wont before the set ends.

we win :) end of story

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Jul 25th 2012, 1:54:10

I never said u didn't win now did I

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PapaSmurf

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Jul 25th 2012, 1:56:55

To say a war is over after a tag kill is silly. I mean we should just all stop fighting after FS too.

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Jul 25th 2012, 2:00:31

I was using a real war situation as a way to describe this war.

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patriotffa

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Jul 25th 2012, 2:35:25

you give them hope warster :P

@papasmurf-it is over after the tagkill and they dont have what it takes to come back and win :) dur

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Jul 25th 2012, 3:03:36

Originally posted by patriotffa:

a victory has to have a scoring scale

tagkill(all original countries are dead)=3 points
hits=1 point
kills=2 points
total net=1 point
avg net=1 point

only you would think 150 kills would be worth more than 75 kills that are twice the NW

substantial statistics that can be measured and analyzed to create a concrete conclusion who the victor is

Originally posted by Primeval:

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SublimeNightmare

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Jul 25th 2012, 3:05:28

Fun fact. IMP has out killed CC 21-4 in the last 24 hours.... for all this come back talk. Nah nah... nah nah Naah Naah... Hey hey hey... goodbye

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patriotffa

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Jul 25th 2012, 3:37:51

Originally posted by Desperado:

Originally posted by patriotffa:

umm..thats why it is in points? so even if it was more kills for lesser networth they'd still have other categories to score.

you are only looking at one angle which is one category that needs to be measured.

nice try to flame but you were horrible back then and you still are. keep on :)

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Jul 25th 2012, 4:51:15

Originally posted by SublimeNightmare:

Fun fact. IMP has out killed CC 21-4 in the last 24 hours.... for all this come back talk. Nah nah... nah nah Naah Naah... Hey hey hey... goodbye

IMP can basically squash CC any time it wants.

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Donny

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Jul 25th 2012, 5:15:43

heh

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mdevol

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Jul 25th 2012, 6:44:29

it was just a question, trying to get a legit answer guys...

didnt have to take it that far.

nobody has claimed CC won all reset.

just trying to find out what DOES constitue a win, because a simple tagkill, i think, does not.

and if that is the sole deciding factor, if a set runs out before tagkill, does either clan win?

or lets say, clan A who is bigger and has FS hits clan B and clan B get tagkilled in a week but comes back and overtakes clan A because clan A sucks and is a bunch of netters that dont know how to war. did clan A still win because they got tagkill first?

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Pain

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Jul 25th 2012, 7:07:45

i would say IMP won this set because they got a tag kill and will end the set with originals and more networth.

but simply tagkilling definately does no constitute an automatic win, there are lots of other factors.

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Jul 25th 2012, 7:28:08

Well set up a ranking system on how you can win the war, points or whatever. Then everyone can STFU and GTFO! :P

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Jul 25th 2012, 9:34:28

Originally posted by Mr Emerald:

Well set up a ranking system on how you can win the war, points or whatever. Then everyone can STFU and GTFO! :P

boom! its what im saying