https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCXB1SUmEuw

it needed two, yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y

i think this might just win music. i mean, like on a whole, i think it wins music.

http://unitedpatientsgroup.com/...for-alcoholism-addiction/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEFyP-Q7CVE

and if it doesn't, then this does.

this is in the running for best one-off jams
https://youtu.be/paeNnR33i5Q

heya Monex!
https://www.sciencedaily.com/.../2016/06/160629095609.htm

I don't know about the science behind this, but I can give you anecdotal evidence that supports the idea that marijuana helps with recovery from alcohol addiction.

I was a lifelong drinker until by the age of 45 or 50 I was chronic alcoholic. At the very end I was completely unable to stop drinking and went on a binge that made me so crazy and sick that I knew I was going to die or be locked up. I quit, and I followed a program of recovery developed at Addiction Services and at AA. Amazingly I haven't had any desire for a drink in almost 4 years.

About a year into my sobriety I took up smoking marijuana. I find that it gives me a high and makes me feel good but that I have no craving for more and more of it like I did with alcohol. I smoke about a gram a day and have stayed at that level for 3 years. Once I've had my buzz for the day I don't need or want any more. But I really enjoy my few hours of being high, listening to music and thinking about stuff, and playing EE of course.

I think that the marijuana has been very beneficial and has helped me to avoid any thought of trying alcohol again, which for me would be certain death.

So you replaced one addiction with another.

Pretty common tool. Although it is preferable to replace an alcoholic addiction with something a bit more proactive than bud. But to each their own.

fluff off ford

Cry about it to someone who cares.

You only mad because it is true. It wasn't an insult.

We often argue but this is not meant to do so.
When i did look at inpatient rehab they would let me, nay, encourage me to continue smoking cigarettes but chocolate was out of the question. And mdma. So i had to say no no no. But this isnt funny and that was a poor joke. I have trouble with aa because they say no joint to put me to sleep, and twenty years from now if im good with drink then i *still* dont get one as like a job well done, ya urned it son.. if i could moderate myndrink like i do my red meat intake id be golden..

I know what some of that ment.

you have ripped apart far less coherently worded posts by me. you aren't fooling anybody when you say that. you just didn't know how to use polite words after i asked that we not argue ;p

OK, I will respond, even though you are talking out of your ass about something you know nothing about on a thread where you are being insulting and obnoxious as usual instead of constructive.

Addiction is an uncontrollable craving that can't be moderated. You may be able to moderate it sometimes, but then suddenly you keep going until the bottle is empty, or the money is all gone. My weed smoking may be a dependency but it can be completely moderated. There is never a craving like there is with alcohol addiction, gambling addiction, crack addiction or heroin addiction. I have replaced all of those addictions with each other, as you say is common, and in which respect you are correct. What I am saying here is that marijuana use does not lead to addiction to marijuana where uncontrollable cravings destroy you.

Something I know nothing about? Lol okay. I stopped reading there.

I drank and did more drugs in uni than I care to remember. I was spending $150 a day on blow during the weekend and drinking a fifth of booze on weeknights. I had my blow dealer on speed dial and bought numerous times after 3am. Don't lecture me about addiction.

But I dug my way out of it. You just substituted. That is my only point. Stop acting so butthurt. Self control is the only answer. You seem to have found it with weed, but it is still a substitute.

"Addiction is an uncontrollable craving that can't be moderated"
yes, but we can forget about it with abuse of stronger substan.. oh, wait..

"ou may be able to moderate it sometimes, but then suddenly you keep going until the bottle is empty, or the money is all gone."
always go hard on one, splitting the money is like the reverse monty hall. one third of three is no where close to as good as all of the one.

"My weed smoking may be a dependency but it can be completely moderated. There is never a craving like there is with alcohol addiction, gambling addiction, crack addiction or heroin addiction."
You've told me before, and anybody who has any clue can only agree.. what are you going to do, smoke so much pot that you take a nap on the couch during dr oz on a lazy thursday afternoon?

.. but why is it a lazy thursday afternoon, drug addict?
.. because not everybody works in a cubicle nine to five, and some of us have lazy thursday afternoons. but i digressed.

"I have replaced all of those addictions with each other, as you say is common, and in which respect you are correct"
this one confuses me a touch, you ran the h train, bud?? smoke, or.. ?

"What I am saying here is that marijuana use does not lead to addiction to marijuana where uncontrollable cravings destroy you"
i started when i was fifteen and i am thirty now. the worst is when i can not get any and obviously thus can not smoke, so my mind isn't quite.. "out there", and when i try to fall asleep i can not "unfocus" and just let my mind wander and drift away. otherwise i sit there running a narrative through my head that pretty much only ever says why didn't i buy that second bottle of rye?

You're a lightweight, bud.

With additional context and a couple more reads I understand the point.

Rehab places are to get clean. From everything. Additionally there are other addicts for numerous substances there, so they can't let certian people partake in something they arnt addicted to when someone down the hall is addicted to your crutch.

If AA or rehab won't work for you, find something that will. Or someone who will. But you have to be willing to do things you don't want to do in order to reach the goals.you want to get to.

OR I am stronger willed than you. You really want to make this a competition? Seriously?

You are such an ignorant twerp, ford. Don't you realize that addiction has nothing to do with will? That's the whole point. Why are you on this thread anyway?

most people have an off switch, some of us don't.

my body won't tell me i've had enough to drink. i can drink and drink. and drink. but as you can all attest, my not dying doesn't equal me holding my liqour well. i make a fluffing fool of myself. often nightly. gets found a way to moderate it, and all the power to him- we should all be so lucky. there is no reason, either of you, for a fight. when i'm the voice of reason you know you're in trouble..

its not stronger willed, per se, it's just a matter of knowing when you've had your fill; just because you have a hollow leg, braden, that doesn't mean you need to try to fill it.

oh, and "curing" yourself of an addiction has everything to do with will. i say "cure" because we both know it is just the will to ignore it for another day.

Alright boys. I feel like I am at a old man's AA meeting where some people shouldn't be telling others how to work their programs. ;)

that is not the case for everybody ford. you pride yourself as an intelligent person, you should understand perfectly well that what might come easy as focusing on something else for one person might be an entirely different situation for somebody else.

has there never been something, ever in your life, that came easier to somebody else than it did you? your times tables in second grade, somebody ran the hundred yards quicker in tenth grade? somebody got an A on the college final and you got a B+.. why didn't you just will yourself harder kind of argument?

heh, more "outside issues" galleri.

Hi galleri!

Thing is, mrford doesn't have a program, he did a bit of partying as a kid and quit. Maybe if I had decided to quit when I was young I could have used my willpower to quit.

I would say that my being "cured" of addiction was not a matter of will. At some point dependency progresses to addiction. I reached a point so low that I was completely convinced that I would die. It was at this point where for some reason I dredged up a tremendous desire to live and a willingness to do anything to live. At that point, my desire to drink simply left and it hasn't returned.

My recovery program was about being more balanced, being more calm, living more healthily, getting exercise, getting out of my isolation. The purpose of all those things was to make me less likely to have emotional lows where I might pick up a drink, because once I start I don't stop. But it wasn't the recovery program or my will that took away my desire to drink. It was a complete change that hit me when I was at the bottom so that I didn't want a drink any more. I can't claim that my willpower saved me.

I did quit heroin with willpower. I quit crack with willpower. But my alcohol consumption went through the roof. Now it is gone. The marijuana is not a replacement. Its a part of my efforts to live a calmer and more balanced life.

Pretty sure Getafix already stated that he had the ability to focus on something else. Weed.

I responded that a more constructive substitute is preferred but to each their own.

Obviously people are better than others at various things, but everyone can change if they are open to it. Truly open to it.

"It was at this point where for some reason I dredged up a tremendous desire to live and a willingness to do anything to live. "

How is this not the definition of will power? I feel like you are making some kind of semantical argument here. Maybe not.

And I stopped because my wife got pregnant. Still took will power.

God damnit Ford, why didn't you start using heroin and crack? fluffing little kid!

willpower
noun [ U ] uk /ˈwɪl.paʊər/ us /ˈwɪl.paʊ.ɚ/
the ability to control your own thoughts and the way in which you behave

In my addiction to alcohol I lost this willpower. I am saying that no effort on my part was required for me to quit drinking. A change came over me in which my desire to drink left completely.

I did put a huge effort into a recovery program but the effort was not directed towards ignoring or overcoming a desire to drink. That was already gone. The recovery program was a plan of action to make me more calm and balanced, as I said before. It wasn't about finding the will to quit.

You are sitting there arguing semantics and I am the asshole. Lol okay.

You decided to make a change. Whatever you want to call it.

You are sitting there trying to initiate a fluff measuring contest where one doesn't exist. Weird. Stop acting so butthurt.

https://youtu.be/bvQ5FmM-5mI

Thanks Heston, that was good :)

I don't know why you are arguing at all mrford. I usually don't. This isn't about semantics. I am describing my experience of quitting drinking, and it did not involve willpower. And my weed smoking is not an addiction, and I know what I'm talking about.

So why not just quit the weed smoking if it isn't an addiction?

We seem to have vastly different definitions of some words.

Whatever. You win. You are the superior addict.

Thank you.

Wow, now we have Scott. Sigh.

If its not an addiction, why do I need to bother quitting?

Hey Fix,

Proud of you man,

I remember a few years back, and yes you had a problem.

The fact that you found a way, to dial back from an uncontrollable addicton, to a controllable dependency is a huge step in functionality, self awareness, growth, and I am proud of you.

Ford is being an ass, Ignore the troll, we all know troll asses are hairy, stink, and usually hide screen names to spew toxicity at other random people to cover for their own personal issues.
He simply replaced addiction with an addiction to trolling, He can't help it, it consumes him, and he can't stop himself. Just pity him and move on:)

What you've done, is a big step, would being completely clean be ideal? Yes.
But sometimes ideal isn't an option. Keep it up man, and please know that an old earth buddy hears you, and is proud and would even suggest a name change to....


GetaHit

:)

Um, thanks, I think..

Anyways, no, being completely "clean" would not be ideal. Nothing is completely ideal. If we gave up every dependency life would be incredibly boring. When I first quit, I gave up drinking, cigarettes, EE and women. I soon returned to cigarettes, I love them. I returned to EE though I sometimes wonder why. I would return to women, except I am really unsure whether the cost of the loss of autonomy in a relationship with a woman is worth getting sex; I think hookers would be a better value. And I enjoy my weed and have it under control. I also like gambling still and i like to throw away $20 a month, and if I win with it I still end up spending that $20, but its under control.

But anyway, its good to hear from you Servant and I do appreciate your good wishes.. you certainly would remember my drunken rages from 6 years ago. I hardly ever do that any more, haha.

And Getahit is not in the Asterix comic strip.

That went in an entirely different direction then I intended. I was just trying to give the 2 people originally involved in this post somthing to read that they would have a common interest in.

Anyway, http://www.scientificfactsofpot.com "scientifically" proves ford wrong.

You know that they say... if It's on the Internet...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92i5m3tV5XY

It is easy to dismiss someone as a troll instead of arguing the points. It is a simple minded tactic. Whatever works for you. Nothing I have said in this thread was ment to troll. Get over it and whatever the source of your butthurt is.

Scientifically proves me wrong in what way?

The site said scientific facts ffs.

If it isn't an addiction, why not quit for a month. Please record your non-addicted withdrawal...

This is actually a very good idea. When I run out of dope I'll do that.

Just google "marijuana is not a drug" and you will unterstand.

Lol, okay. Sure.

HELLO.....
I AM NOT GOING TO POST THIS AGAIN......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92i5m3tV5XY
NOW STFU

I googled "Monex is a fluffing retard" and google told me it is true...

Comments?

My bong says marijuana is a drug. So does my vape. My recommendation says its a drug. So does my doctor. My doctor prescribed mairijuana to me. (She has nice boobs) I medicate with marijuana. Cause thats pc.