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Pang:
I can't bring a bottle of water through security anymore, I need to take my shoes off and have them scanned. There's a multi-multi-billion dollar department created to stop the same kind of 9/11 stuff from happening again.
There are roughly 10x the number of deaths from guns per YEAR than there were on 9/11, yet any discussions about gun regulations or safety are rejected by the stupid logic of "why not ban knives or hands?!?!?! dur hur".
The level of discourse in the US is absolutely appalling. It's blatant hypocrisy wrapped in straw man arguments.
OMG, where to begin. This is wrong on so many levels.
Are you seriously trying to compare 1 day/incident to a whole year?
The 10x is technically correct, however trying to take total number of deaths via one cause (guns) and comparing it to another action such as violence is level of appalling discourse in of itself. You might as well said the number of deaths from autos per YEAR than there were on 9/11. It has no relevancy at all and is a poor comparison. The vast majority of the 33k deaths due to guns is suicide. Even if you assume that the remaining deaths via guns are all of violent nature (which it isnt) that would make it more 4x the number of violent deaths from guns per YEAR than there were on 9/11. (12k vs 3k). While this would be more accurate comparison, it is still wrong due to stated above, whole year compared to one day. A more realistic number would be 3x btw and imho that is not very much when you are attempting to compare whole years worth.
IF you do insist on keeping whole number of deaths via guns, since vast majority as I said are suicides, this actually makes the "why not ban knives or hands?!?!?! dur hur" statement relevant. Once someone has gone through the process or has reached state of no longer wanting to live, they are going to end their life no matter what. If they had no access to a gun, they will find some other method, such as knives, ropes, gas inhalation, pills etc. Banning a gun will not stop it, you would need to ban every other method used and is a stupid reason to even suggest banning guns. Hence the stupid question asking about banning other things. Guns is not the issue, so attempting to ban something that is not cause or reason for such actions is yes stupid, how about addressing the real problem(s) such as mostly kids with issues/problems as well as other reasons why the number of adults are wanting to commit suicide.
For the record, violent deaths in the US has steadily been decreasing every year since long before 9/11. This is true for violent deaths via guns as well.