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May 28th 2024, 21:38:18

UPDATE:

M4D: 4218 hits, 11 kills, 383 HPK

SOL: 7733 hits, 28 kills, 276 HPK, 2927 defends, 5 deaths, 585 HPD
Stones: 1404 hits, 2 kills, 702 HPK, 1291 defends, 6 deaths, 215 HPK

Combined SoL/Stones: 9137 hits, 30 kills, 305 HPK


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May 28th 2024, 21:32:48

Originally posted by Academus:
Yes - as MD slowly disappeared, we had some tight connections with SoL. I still had some ties to PDM but you and Pallet seemed to retire so I went with SoL after giving up for a while.


We did retire, yes.
Pallet moved to Thailand and got himself married too lol

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May 28th 2024, 13:06:04

Didn't realise you'd gone to SoL Aca!

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May 28th 2024, 12:59:52

Originally posted by Rokkie:
Originally posted by DruncK:
I'd totally help even the odds but I'd die too fast from having such a sexy country and not willing to wall


even the odds? they had a 6 country lead, had they let SoL take the FS they would have lost what 3? maybe 4? so they would still have had a country lead, and since they claim they knew a FS was coming they could have just been on high alert and been ready for that FS and attempted to wall, probably leaving SoL with even less kills, Still giving M4D a country lead.

The only reason stones jumped in because you know i believe they have a FDP with SoL, and since SoL got attacked first stones responded to defend their allies, Had SoL took the FS, stones would have had no reason to come to the defense, giving M4D once again the country/turn advantage...

Anyway this has been a disappointment of a war, lets see what happens next set.


That's an interesting hypothetical.
Stones had opportunity to aid SoL either way though, as they had not pacted M4D despite Leto trying to reach out to both farmer and bru.
Which makes it likely that even if SoL had FS'd M4D, that Stones also would have come to the party.

That being the case, as M4D, knowing that you're going to get hit, lose countries, then get hit again, and lose more countries, giving up a numbers advantage, and also being at an experience disadvantage, why would you NOT take the opportunity to FS and try to mitigate some of it?

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May 28th 2024, 12:54:34

1. Not a clue
2. Not a clue
3. Not a clue, but doubtful
4. You'd have to ask KoH that, but I would assume he'd tell you straight up if it was him.

Also, I've repeatedly confirmed that I'm in Paradigm, comes with being the president...

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May 28th 2024, 9:33:34

Originally posted by Cathankins:
Originally posted by Drow:
Is this like the "it's definitely g0nz0 who's doing the spying"
Or that it was "definitely superfly" doing the spy ops?
See a lot of accusations that keep not bearing out so far.



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Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Josey FFS stop being a fkn Karen, hot damn bro!


Josey slipped into her little black dress. Tryna seduce Ugo to joining the suicide squad over in alliance. Hope they aren't planning anything nefarious with a team of war built countries


So you're admitting to having war built countries?

Easy enough information to assume given your track record over the last couple of sets without needing spyops to confirm 🤷‍♂️

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May 28th 2024, 9:32:13

Originally posted by Josey Wales:
Originally posted by Drow:
I'm not disputing those facts.

What I AM saying, is that throwing allegations out about who may or may not be behind it, without proof, will not end well for you, especially as it has repeatedly not worked out for you this set so far.


No accusations.

Just the question:

Who is running 426.?


"No accusations"
Except that you outright accused Evo of having someone run that country for them in your OP

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May 28th 2024, 2:33:45

I'm not disputing those facts.

What I AM saying, is that throwing allegations out about who may or may not be behind it, without proof, will not end well for you, especially as it has repeatedly not worked out for you this set so far.

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May 28th 2024, 1:42:26

Is this like the "it's definitely g0nz0 who's doing the spying"
Or that it was "definitely superfly" doing the spy ops?
See a lot of accusations that keep not bearing out so far.

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May 28th 2024, 0:38:30

Originally posted by Cathankins:
Originally posted by Drow:
dude, I'm laughing at you.



Like that meme where he pretends to be laughing but is actually crying? Ironically, that is actually how I pictured you, thanks for the info.


I mean, I'm happy for you to assume that 😘
Everyone else knows otherwise, but you do you boo!

Oh, Im curious as to where I was lying.
You yourself admitted you hit evo because superfly.
That's not lying, that's facts.
Are you going to hit M4D next set because I'm in Paradigm, and we are friends?
Same logic is same logic!


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May 27th 2024, 13:43:35

Originally posted by MrEd:
Originally posted by Syko_Killa:
It says I was deleted for cheating or rules violations. I sent an appeal, I certainly didn't cheat and if I broke some policy, it must be a new one. This must be an error, or somebody falsely reported me.

Did they ever clear it up?


I believe it was VPN related.

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May 27th 2024, 13:42:37

Originally posted by Murf:
Bit lobsided, but m4d actually improving in the stats or they restart hunting?

Not paying attention at all just curious

Bit of both I think.

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May 27th 2024, 12:43:06

TBH, I don't have to do much at all.
Simply give you rope and let you do the damage to yourself with your own words.
For someone so intelligent, you sure do manage to make yourself sound like a fool.

I mean, the whole, "it's evo's fault we suicided badly on them because Superfly" was simply the start.

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May 27th 2024, 12:40:41

UPDATE:

M4D: 3772 hits, 9 kills, 419 HPK

SoL: 6469 hits, 23 kills, 281 HPK, 2683 defends, 4 deaths, 681 HPD
Stones: 1203 hits, 2 kills, 602 HPK, 1089 defends 5 deaths, 218 HPD

Combined tally: 7672 hits, 25 kills, 307 HPK

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May 27th 2024, 12:35:05

Originally posted by Xyle SoF:
If you brought back Deitylord or Duque and have one of them go lead a FS right away on SOL, in the same circumstances, and the result would be the same. War has changed a lot.


Launching an AB FS in the first place is a fairly bad idea these days.

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May 27th 2024, 12:32:51

dude, I'm laughing at you.

I do have to ask though, the whole feminine energy thing. Why do you hate women exactly?


You certainly have some incredibly, uhh, misguided beliefs on things.
The whole "alpha/beta male" thing, which is completely based off a 100% debunked study based on unrelated wolves living in captivity for one.

But again, I'm dumb as a post, I wouldn't have a clue.
You've said it, and you're smarter than everyone, so it MUST be true.

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May 27th 2024, 11:27:31

Originally posted by Cathankins:
Originally posted by Doug:
Originally posted by EmpyreanMKR:
Sorry, didn't mean to post that too much.

Bad net where I'm at right now.


It’s cool. I got your point. I was just clarifying to that person. Which experience tells me, dealing with pill heads doesn’t ever work by engaging them.



This abusive personality is why we have so many protests in America. Because some person takes medication doesn’t give you a right to abuse them. I see this attitude is very common in America.


Unless it’s celebrities or the ruling class. Suddenly you all follow orders and have no problem with their drug culture.


Any excuse to abuse the peasants right?


I'm not sure the person who basically boasted about driving someone to suicide is in ANY position to make comments about anyone else's "abusive personalities"

Never mind the non stop insults to all of us.

Or of course, on the Judaism front, when you're there insulting other jewish people directly when they call you out.

but hey, you're smarter than, and superior to, everyone on the planet, or so you claim, so what would I know?

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May 25th 2024, 15:07:04

Originally posted by BlackHole:
Serious question, is M4D activity really that low?

At the start of the war M4D outnumbered Sol. With Stones joining the war, it's pretty close to even. I think the coalition for good has a few more members. But not double more.

Even disregarding the fact that M4D is failing to finish the job on some kill rurns, their raw hit totals are 50% of their enemy.

Why is that happening?


Lost turns from dead countries.
As more countries die, the hits fall away as restarts lose turns getting back to being able.to come OOP etx.
That 23 kills is why.

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May 25th 2024, 14:13:43

Originally posted by Cathankins:
This is the most passive aggressive community I have ever seen in my life.

Where do you all live that men fight over who is the least crazy? Lmao

Wait I don’t even care. I will assume New York City or Californian and leave it at that.


I don’t understand this feminine authoritarian energy where you want to control everyone when every idea and every thought.





If you speak out about bullying that’s a bridge too far. But Doug can post about his sex preferences on here all day every day




It’s very easy to see why people come here and then leave. The one sided censorship And bullying here is ridiculous




I think every single user has been accused of being “crazy” lol who even cares. That’s some major feminine energy



It reminds me of a group of office ladies trying to get each other written up



Spouts something like this, wonders why he gets banned...

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May 25th 2024, 13:58:55

yeah tell me about it lol, had to edit to put that one in :P

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May 25th 2024, 13:54:55

Resolved with Omega :)

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May 25th 2024, 13:53:53

Update May 25 13:50

M4D: 2906 hits, 5 Kills, 581 HPK, 6669 defends, 23 deaths, 290 HPD

SoL: 5766 hits, 21 kills, 275 HPK, 2226 defends, 2 deaths, 1113 HPD
Stones: 903 hits, 2 kills, 452 HPK, 680 defends, 3 deaths, 227 HPD

Combined SoL/Stones: 6669 hits, 23 kills, 290 HPK, 2906 defends, 5 deaths 581 HPK.

EDIT: Updated due to mid KR.

Edited By: Drow on May 25th 2024, 13:58:07
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May 25th 2024, 12:45:12

Originally posted by table4two:
Originally posted by Slagpit:
Originally posted by table4two:
Cyref or myself might've been the last people to win 1a with a casher. 2019 seems about right as its been a looong time since a casher has last felt competitive.

Its a weird one- You'd think I would be a proponent of the recent change set, as yes it gets stale seeing the one strat dominate. But even more that, the traditional oil destock was such a quality of life addition, I find myself still preferring to have kept this element even if it means the status quo doesn't change.

All that is to say I don't think the benefit of removing the traditional oil destock out weighs the quality of life addition it provided to the wider meta of the game.

Also, it is a shame to see the 'best 3' metric rendered obsolete now. It was the best metric to compare the best netters in the game.

I wonder if there are more surgical ways to rebalance some of the strategies? For example, reducing the food/oil production of the Fascist or increasing the PCI of a Republic?

In any case, it has been fun to see how people are playing this set and seeing how the market plays out. Change is inevitable and you can't make everyone happy. I applaud you Slagpit for trying to shake things up in the first place.



Thank you for the thoughtful comment.

As I understand it, players on the alliance server are able to send research pacts to bots and get free tech all set. This strikes me as a completely ridiculous mechanic that should be removed. If it is removed then final NWs will drop somewhat which could impact leaderboards. Should it not be removed then?

Generally speaking we're going to prioritize other factors above leaderboard parity. It's really difficult to have meaningful leaderboards over a 15 year period in the first place and any change isn't fair to a certain degree. For example, suppose the same player managed to win the first ten rounds of alliance. He would have a Best 3 of around 300 M. In the current era a player could play a single country to 901 M NW and not even finish in the top ten. He would then have a higher best 3 than the other player. That's hardly fair, right? At some point I plan to offer a seasonal view of the leaderboards that would be retroactively applied. We'd have metrics that would apply on a yearly basis to Alliance in addition to the overall metrics.

We want players to have multiple feasible options for destocking. That's always been a core design principle. Having a single destocking method be dominant as well as risk-free is the exact opposite of that. Can you explain what the missing quality of life feature here is? You can still do private destocks and you can still burn oil for units. It's just less efficient than before.


Re the leaderboards - yes, 100% agree with you that comparisons between two different periods aren't meaningful as the meta changes over time. Despite that, the 'best 3' was still a good indicator of who were presently the best netters in the game. This view is now lost with the current changes but I think your idea to implement a seasonal view of the leaderboard is a fantastic one. On a side tangent, for average netters like me, simply besting my PB is always a goal I set for myself. Its a bit of a blow to have that water line reset, but hey that's just life innit :)

Re destocking - Yes, you make very valid points. When I speak of quality of life features I guess I'm thinking about how time poor I am now. I'm no longer the teenager who first encountered this game and had the time to log in at any moment. The traditional oil destock suited players like me perfectly as it was the combination of low risk, time efficient, and competitive. If it means I need to invest more time in order to destock competitively, I really don't know if I have the time to play when I have other competing priorities.

In the grand scheme of things, take this response as minor feedback as overall I think you are doing a great job. I think Tertius summed it up best- the full effect of the change set will reveal itself over the next few sets and it'll be interested to see how people adapt their strategies to maximise their end nws.


QFT on the only competing against myself.

In terms of who will come out on top, I don't know yet, prices for farmer/oilers in particular were a lot worse than normal start of set. Food only just sorta hit the more normal 34-35 a bushel mark, and oil last I checked was sub 190. That said, it's also the first set to have a war in awhile, which also makes a difference to prices due to differing strats.

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May 24th 2024, 23:18:59

Originally posted by allbymyself87:
I want earthgraphs!!!

I want Earthstats!

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May 24th 2024, 12:09:13

wasn't Boxcar kinda/sorta an LaF site already? Which was why they had admin access to it?

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May 24th 2024, 8:24:37

Can I get a contact for you chaps please?
Cheers!

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May 23rd 2024, 15:21:09

UPDATE:

M4D: 2117 hits, 2 kills, 1059 HPK

SoL: 4247 hits, 15 kills, 283 HPK, 1868 defends, 1 death
Stones: 604 hits, 2 kills, 302 HPK, 249 defends, 1 death

Total SoL/Stones: 4851 Hits, 17 Kills, 285 HPK

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May 23rd 2024, 15:15:00

We are using Boxcar again.
We stopped for a time as we were using our own site, then semi used GHQ as well.
back to boxcar partially, though we had some issues for awhile with perms and new users.

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May 22nd 2024, 11:48:56

update dropped, in OP.

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May 22nd 2024, 11:37:40

on the plus side, at least he's not offering tracking cookies for your "personalised marketing experience!"


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May 22nd 2024, 0:14:21

I'm a poet and didn't even know it!

Comes with the dad joke territory I think ;)

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May 21st 2024, 23:32:53

Oatmeal and raisin?
You're a cruel cruel man tAN!

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May 21st 2024, 23:30:35

No, I did too Vic 🤣

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May 21st 2024, 16:30:25

Originally posted by BlackHole:
Drow - do you have any insight as to why M4D didn't pact SoL at the beginning of the round like they did with Mercs?


None, I'm not in M4D.
There's various things flying around the boards, I believe Jouster in the initial war Dec post made reference to WeeZy choosing not to pact.
Basically, you know as much as I do, probably more, given you're in SoL.

Coalie posted in the M4D war dec the following:
"You idiots took in SOL's "blood oath" enemy (Terd Crawler) and offered him refuge. Then you expect them to pact you guys?"

That's possibly a part of it?

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May 21st 2024, 13:37:07

Hey Aca!

Ticking over as always man, not enough hours in the day these days though, I swear to god!

Should come visit our discord, or come play a set sometime, join the rest of us old faces :P

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May 21st 2024, 13:29:42

Originally posted by Coalie:
Idk if you’re completely neutral from what I’ve seen in a very concerning screenshot that was shared to me. But the again you’ve never done anything bad to us so I’ll agree to disagree today.


Also nice job on sol and their partners on defending themselves from a FS and counter-striking! Great job defenders (SoL n Allies).


I don't know what you've been shared, but Paradigm is pacted out. We will not break pacts or break our word.
It's literally that simple.

As I said to you directly.
a bunch of the folks over at M4D are former Paradigm players, so they are like family to us.
Yes, I am close to M4D as a direct result of that, but, I'm also not going to break the bond that I have given to other alliances.
That's simple respect.

Also, like I said to Dark Demon, if I was in M4D's position, and an alliance I pacted in good faith, had nearly half their players jump into a tag I was fairly sure was shaping up to war me, I'd be PISSED too.
There's no spinning that in a good way man.

If Paradigm members had jumped into M4D, be honest, you'd have hit the roof.
We haven't, because again, I don't believe in that sort of thing.

So yeah, regardless of my personal leanings, I still put Paradigm first.

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May 21st 2024, 2:55:45

It looks like they don't have the number, or clan, but that someone has said that it is G0nz0.

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May 21st 2024, 2:48:48

Originally posted by Coalie:
We all know where drow leans,

No point in pointing that out and giving the guy a hard time


Does where I personally lean matter if I keep my alliance neutral, and honour both the spirit and letter of my pacts? :)

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May 21st 2024, 2:47:15

Originally posted by SuperFly:
bro i am just kidding around. I know PDM is separate like Evo is. I am just clowning around for the people who think otherwise lol


Cheers, but let's NOT have another thread derailed by the usual suspects? :P

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May 21st 2024, 2:14:20

Originally posted by galleri:
I am confused in life. I thought you were PDM?


I am in Paradigm.
I'm also a neutral 3rd party, and know everyone wants to see the scores :P

Superfly:
Not quite. there is a nice core of former PDM players over there, which is why we are close to M4D, but we are also still separate and do our own things.

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May 21st 2024, 2:00:01

SO, after the initial FS period, we have the following:

M4D: 891 hits, 0 kills, 31 countries at start of war.

SoL: 1774 hits, 8 kills, 25 countries at start of war, 222 HPK
STONES: 98 hits, 0 kills 11 countries at start of war.

Overall stones/sol: 1872 hits, 8 kills, 234 HPK


Will try to update this every few days.

UPDATE May 22 11:44

M4D: 1567 hits, 2 kills, 784 HPK

SoL: 2747 hits, 10 kills, 275 HPK, 1326 defends, 1 death
Stones: 318 hits, 1 Kill, 318 HPK, 241 defends, 1 death

SoL/Stones total: 3065 hits, 11 kills, 279 HPK.

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May 21st 2024, 1:28:57

of course. drink the good stuff first, after that you cant taste it so it doesnt matter!

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May 21st 2024, 1:17:34

Originally posted by BlackHole:
So Leto and SirJouster attacked all of SoL because I have a big mouth?


And now what, you're leaving the game, and others in M4D I assume, because of Leto's hubris. Because he couldn't just leave me be, and he had to try to get me one more time.


It wasn't enough that you all attacked me in teams three sets in a row, and now in alliance and killed me here twice already. I found some people that wanted to get to know me and give me a chance, and your all's hatred for me caused you to attack them out of spite?



Leto needs to be a better leader than that. That's a really poor reason to get your alliance killed. Don't blame me for his poor choices.
Originally posted by BlackHole:
So Leto and SirJouster attacked all of SoL because I have a big mouth?


And now what, you're leaving the game, and others in M4D I assume, because of Leto's hubris. Because he couldn't just leave me be, and he had to try to get me one more time.


It wasn't enough that you all attacked me in teams three sets in a row, and now in alliance and killed me here twice already. I found some people that wanted to get to know me and give me a chance, and your all's hatred for me caused you to attack them out of spite?



Leto needs to be a better leader than that. That's a really poor reason to get your alliance killed. Don't blame me for his poor choices.


No, they FS'd SoL because SoL was prepping to FS them.
Symbolic already admitted here on AT that he told Leto as much, when queried about mercs players tag jumping to SoL, which effectively gave their FS time away.

M4D simply beat SoL to the punch.
You're just the excuse 🤷‍♂️

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May 20th 2024, 11:37:42

Originally posted by Cathankins:
Originally posted by Drow:
Originally posted by Cathankins:
Originally posted by Coalie:
what evidence do you have that we were shaping up to attack m4d? They were spying the fluff out of us yesterday



Well you are a group of known liars and use tactics like this on a regular basis. I think it’s safe to say if merc is talking, they are lying. This is a universal constant.


Mercs didn't get hit. SoL got hit.
Do keep up...


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Originally posted by Drow:
Originally posted by Cathankins:
Originally posted by Coalie:
what evidence do you have that we were shaping up to attack m4d? They were spying the fluff out of us yesterday



Well you are a group of known liars and use tactics like this on a regular basis. I think it’s safe to say if merc is talking, they are lying. This is a universal constant.


Mercs didn't get hit. SoL got hit.
Do keep up...


Oh hey it’s my slow friend.


Here ya go bud

https://eestats.lafamiglia-ee.eu/alliance/country/265



That’s Superfly ^^^ as usual he is stirring up trouble with his usual conniving and sneaky snake stuff.

I predict he will lie and play dumb about the entire thing. He’s very dishonest even when it’s obvious he is lying.



Hope you are able to keep up now. If you need any more help just let me know. Not with your country, I doubt there’s any helping you with that. I mean if you need any more help explaining basic things to you.


"They're all one big clan"

They're not, but they are a loose coalition.

Coalie is not superfly, and no one was referencing superfly.
Until you did.
Once again, do keep up.

But I forget, you desperately crave the attention.


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