If M4D needs a warchat leader, I can hop on and lead next set.

Well my restart came out of protection and within 3 minutes I had a higher NW then when I died, LOL. I dunno if that was actually a good use of turns, or just a grudge kill. Either way, I enjoy racking up the defenses!

Aren't most of M4D long time vets?


To my knowledge I'm the newest player in this game.

Dude. You don't have to be here. If you don't like seeing me make TC or Leto back up their claims, don't click on the thread. It's not THAT hard.


Every single one of you can play this game without the forums.


What you can't do is express opinions publicly, and be absolved from others expressing their opinions back to you, publicly. That is exactly how public discourse works. If you don't want to partake in the public discourse process, run and hide like TC typically does when I start to make him look stupid. It's also very easy to do.

But if you want to express your opinions publicly, you're going to have to deal with other people also being able to express theirs.

Do... you think I care? I'm here to create grudges and pick fights.


SP - I appreciate it, but I'm not going to let claims go unchallenged.


If TC really believes his bullsh1t, let him come on here and ACTUALLY defend his points. Saying stuff like 'if you disagree, you're just factually wrong'. Let the smart boy prove how smart he is. Back up his claims. Show us some sources of a well accepted game design norm, and how it relates to the game design choices that are being made here. If he can't do that, if he can't back up his claims, him and Leto can STFU.

Herb, don't like reading a lot? No problem, GTFO. Nobody is making you read. Go pick up a pop-up picture book if words are that aversive.


Anyone else want to white knight for the genius cheater turtle crawler? Come on in. I live for this fluff.



If you can't backup what you're saying, STOP SAYING IT. Because I WILL call you out.

Leto - I didn't realize you had such a shallow attention span. I'll make it easier for your less than capable brain.



Your cheating teammate, Turtle Crawler, claims that slagpit is making game design decisions that interfere with known principles of good game design.


I am asserting that what is a 'known principle of good game design' is an opinion, despite Turtle Crawler claiming those principles to be well known and factual.


I provided a list of conflicting 'good game design' principles from a dozen different sources to prove my point.





That short enough for you Leto?




One last piece of advice. Insulting me for being an idiot is lazy and uninspired. Do what I do. Tell the person they are stupid, to their face, and then prove to them why.


All you've done is the same as you're idiot teammate. You've ASSERTED something, but you fail to back it up. Is that like... a thing over at M4D or something? Ya'll just say fluff, acting like it's a fact? Hoping everyone will believe you?



Maybe that's why we don't get along. I do the legwork. I prove my case. I cite my sources. I bring the receipts.



TLDR for you: You and TC are fvcking stupid, and I prove it.

Actually, TC. I'm going to do your job for you... to demonstrate how absolutely fvcking stupid you are.


Let's look at the 'known game design principles'

Principle #1: Design Your Game Around a Core Mechanic
Principle #2: Make Your Game Easy to Learn, but Challenging to Master
Principle #3: Make Sure You Have Balanced Gameplay Options
Principle #4: Provide Regular Feedback and Rewards
Principle #5: Give the Player a Meaningful Core Mission

https://www.evercast.us/blog/game-design-principles


1. Set clear goals and objectives
2. Engaging core mechanics
3. Maintain gameflow and experience
4. Balancing the game
5. Offer feedback and rewards.
6. Playtesting
7. Sound Design

https://www.juegostudio.com/...game-designer-should-know

1. Focal Point
2. Anticipation
3. Announce Change
4. Believable Events and Behavior
5. Overlapping Events and Behavior
6. Physics
7. Sound
8. Pacing
9. Spacing
10. Linear Design versus Component Breakdown
11. Player
12. Communication
13. Appeal

https://www.gamedeveloper.com/...ciples-of-gameplay-design

1. Keep it Simple
2. Balance
3. Accessibility
4. Feedback
5. Reward System
6. Narrative
7. User Interface
8. Immersion
9. Replayability
10. Testing and Iteration

https://medium.com/@niitwork0921/the-top-10-game-design-principles-every-developer-should-know-27ffdf1b0fb4



1. Gameplay loops
2. Adding juice to gameplay
3. Psychological principles, like peak-end rule
4. designing around choice
5. player taxonomy
6. Start with minimal scope
7. Agency
8. Get the gameplay loop right
9. Stay true to the intended experience

https://www.reddit.com/...of_games_design_that_you/



1. I'd only ever consider selling a game if it runs at a smooth framerate of at least 40 FPS on medium range hardware, has at least 3 hours of gameplay and runs stable on 90% of the test hardware. If it does not hold up to that, it will be free regardless of effort put into it.

2. Every level is first and foremost a place that should have some internal logic and feel real and lived in.

3. Visual quality should be consistent with what I can do throughout the game. I rather have it look like its from the mid 2000s than sacrifice my own models and visual diversity with static environments that are built using megascans or third party asset packs.

4. Combat does not involve violence against women, children or civilians. The latter is because I can not pull of proper consequences to that.

5. There is an in-lore reason for most mechanics. If the player can take 10 hits before he goes down, there is a reason for that, however flimsy it might be.

6. Atmosphere and pacing is king. Gameplay is queen.

7. I always design the mid part of the game first, as you always learn by doing and this way I can avoid remaking the beginning and end of the game which have to shine and be polished to either draw the player in or give a somewhat statisfying conclusion.

8. Nothing is ever inspired by latest releases or contemporary standards.

9. Its okay to ask for help! Especially (for me) on the coding end of things. Being stubborn about this can hurt the game.

10. There is always at least one sewer level (its a running gag at this point and I'm one of the few that like playing and designing them :P )


https://www.reddit.com/...of_games_design_that_you/


Or how about all of these different answers:

https://www.reddit.com/..._technique_or_theory_you/

Or these

https://www.reddit.com/...s_do_you_live_and_die_by/

Or these

https://www.reddit.com/...5/game_design_principles/


Or these

https://www.intel.com/...-principles-in-games.html

Or these

https://dulst.com/...ki/Game-Design-Principles





OK, I'll stop now. I think I've gotten my point across. Point is... And I'm going to scream it so you can get the fvcking point, TC.



THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE AUTHORITY ON ONE MAKES A GAME DESIGN DECISION GOOD OR NOT. THESE ARE OPINIONS.


You can argue your opinion, but to state that Slagpit is 'factually incorrect' for making this decision or that is to engage in an intellectually dishonest way, because you are ignoring the reality that you are spewing OPINIONS. These are you fvcking opinions. Let me say it one more time. IT'S YOUR OPINION, NOT A FACT.




Holy fvcking fluff. I cannot believe I have to even type all of this.

Let's do this - Turtle Crawler.


Demonstrate how smart you are and how stupid I am.


You said 'Regardless, to have a good game you need to make decisions according to game design principles. This is a known topic you can lookup and learn.'


Please teach me. Cite your source, and provide me with the details of good game design principles that all games must follow if they want to be good games.

Who gets to decide what 'good game design' is? You, TC? Is there a handbook somewhere? Or are you, like usual, just spouting bullfluff and hoping people will accept it as 'simply, facts'.


The reality is that there are game design trends. There are copy cat games that utilize similar features over and over. But there isn't one single way that a game can be designed. History is LITTERED with games that broke the mould, did something new, and ended up being excellent. If they listened to your stupid ass they would have simply followed 'good game design principles' and we'd never have any innovation.


If you disagree you are simply, factually incorrect. (what a stupid fvcking phrase, wow).



Leto - why don't you actually try to contribute something useful to this conversation? You are the epitome of wasted text. I have never, in my entire life, met someone who says so little with every word they utter. The ramblings of a parrot are more substantial than yours.

Serious question, is M4D activity really that low?

At the start of the war M4D outnumbered Sol. With Stones joining the war, it's pretty close to even. I think the coalition for good has a few more members. But not double more.

Even disregarding the fact that M4D is failing to finish the job on some kill rurns, their raw hit totals are 50% of their enemy.

Why is that happening?

It's not really time consuming at all. I've got a baller gwam.


Why do I have to find chill? I see no reason why I need to do that at all. I'm quite enjoying myself.

Ahhh, I see what's happening.


Ok, I'll respond in good faith to this post.


If you want understand my mindset, I'll explain further. I think I've been pretty clear in the past though. Seek and destroy. I know what I bring to the table, and it's a relentless assault that is unwavering in the face of resistance. I have been killed more times than anyone else in this game on a per game basis. I have fought with, quite literally, everyone in this community at one time or another. My closest allies have become my most bitter enemies. And I have done this for long periods of time.


With all of this, I think by now, I've demonstrated that I will not, and cannot, be stopped. I am the waves in the ocean that, no matter how bad you get pummeled, will keep coming over and over and over, until you get out of the ocean. You don't want to fvck with this force, stay out of the water.



As for the purpose behind what I'm doing. That's easy. I do this because it's what I do. Plain and simple. If you're looking for a deeper meaning, you're going to be disappointed. This is just what I do.


As for the rest of your comment about it being time consuming, or mentally unhealthy. Look vet, I appreciate the concern. But I promise you, I'm good bro. You don't have to believe me. I could attempt to prove it to you by telling you about my personal life. Hell, you probably know about it anyway. I think you're in M4D, right? So you've probably had my doxxed info shared with you. If you've got my name you can google me and see that, at least from a public image perspective, I'm a pretty well-adjusted, valuable member of my community.


But honestly, what's the point? I have nothing to prove to you. Your concerns for my mental health are at best silly, at worst meant as a passive aggressive comment. I'm not on here talking about how I drove people to suicide, attacking people's personal lives, threatening people's cats, talking fluff about people's wives, or any of the other absolutely unhinged fluff that others have done on these forums.

All I'm doing is burying people underneath their words and game-related actions. I get that it SEEMS I'm on the level of the actual lunatics in this community. That's just because I'm extremely effective at what I do. But I think if you carefully vet (hah, get it!) my actions, you'll see that your concerns about my mental health are likely unwarranted.




Appreciate the talk though, hopefully that brings some clarity to the situation for you.





Now back to our regularly scheduled program.


Turtle Crawler, stop acting like a prick to Slag. Why the F does M4D even put up with you?

Well vettiv, I thought it was very unlikely that I was actually showing a detachment from reality. I don't think you have to be all that educated on the topic to know that TC is speaking non-sense, but luckily I am, so I had quite a bit of confidence on my assessment of the situation.

That said - I always like to give someone to chance to back up their claims. And when they can't, I bury them for it.


What is the point of this line of inquisition, though? You seem fairly intelligent, and I think you already understand what's happening here. Turtle Crawler said stupid things, and I made him look like a fool.


If your point is that I should show TC mercy for some reason, feel free to make your case. But this beating around the bush stuff is a little tiring.

I didn't look up anything, I opened it and was waiting for TC to reference a page for me. I was hoping to learn something new. All I learned was that TC was full of crap.

Two things:

1. I'm going to need you to cite your source for the claim 'he's done great things for the game...'

2. TC said to me a few weeks back " You should watch how people act and imitate them, preferably someone who never causes issues and doesn't post. The results will astound you."

This was unprovoked, and I hadn't even said two things to him my entire time here prior to that statement.


He drew first blood. He just didn't realize I was going to destroy him for that statement. His mistake, I'm not the type that shows mercy.



He then followed that statement up with a

" It's the detachment from reality to protect your ego that really exposes you. "




I asked TC how posting a gif indicates a detachment from reality. I asked this because he appeared to be acting like a clinical psychologist and was commenting on my mental state. As someone who knows a little bit about that stuff, I pulled out a copy of my DSM-V and asked TC if he could clarify his statement and back it up.


Turns out he was talking out of his @$$ like he always does (surprirse, surprise). Instead of apologizing for the above two comments, admitting he was wrong, or taking responsibility for his actions in any way whatsoever, he turn and hid like the coward he is (wonder where he learned that from).


Now he's resurfaced. And what is he doing? He's acting like a giant know it all prick to slagpit who is trying to improve the game.



But no worries, his white knight TAN is here to defend him!




TAN - let me explain something to you about me. I may be mean, but I'm also fair. I'm mean to people who deserve it, and who don't take responsibility for their actions. I've had public spats with a LOT of people here. There is a list of people who I am still publicly spatting with though. You know what all those people on the list have in common? They've never apologized or taken responsibility for their nefarious actions.

I'm really sorry that holding people accountable to their words and actions seems like someone who is being being a douchebag. I guess I'm a douchebag. Deal with it.

Oof, it sounds even dumber in all caps. Didn't think that was possible.

YES, BUT WHAT IS OR IS NOT RIDICULOUS IS NOT THE SAME THING AS GOOD GAME DESIGN. IN FACT IT'S COMPLETELY IMMATERIAL WITH RESPECT TO GOOD GAME DESIGN.

TC, you need to learn how to communicate without coming off like a prick if you want to influence people with your ideas.

There's that ego of yours again. "Listen to only me and no one else!"


I think slag has been doing a great job the last few months of soliciting feedback from as many people as possible. Why don't you worry about yourself and let him do his job.

SJ you're a very good player. I just want you to know that.

En4cer, let's put LaF back together.

Why not, you gonna first strike SoL again... against your will?

I... don't know how to feel about this comment...

Oh, Leto has snapped at me. Many times. That's how I got the material for 'you insulted my wife'. He snapped that day in EE discord and provided me with some amazing material to use against him.

Tan - I do take a little offense to equating me with Cat or Josey. Nothing against either of them (not trying to pick fights right now), but my 'unhinged toxicity' is actually quite different then what they do. It may not be clear to outside observers (nor is it intended to be clear), but there is purpose and intention behind what I do. If you look closer, you might be able to see it!



This has been a fun war though. It's great to see activity in this server again. If we aren't warring, what are we all doing here?

Thank you Drow.

Uh... yes please. Tan, I know you're newly returned. But I'm basically a big giant loser. So me walling like the rest of you superstars is a big deal.


Oreo or chocolate chip, please.

k

Empy - Had their chance?


That reads like a threat....



I'm asking, why didn't M4D pursue, actively, trying to pact out with SoL?

Or did you?

It's related to friends.

Drow - do you have any insight as to why M4D didn't pact SoL at the beginning of the round like they did with Mercs?

lol sui :)

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That's kind of what I figured. Had I done nothing, I would have died. But because of the actions I took during the attack, I'm still alive. I think that's the definition of walling, no?

Uh... that's a weird question. Doubt you've heard of it, Detmer.

*hugs*

There he is! The coward finally speaks.


So I think the whole community wants to know. How are you going to stop your alliance from crumbling. You espoused opinions about wanting to bring more players to this game. Then you suicide your whole fluffing alliance into SoL all because of your hatred for me.

How does that help bring new players to the game or your alliance? All you've done is give your players reason to run away by bringing them into your personal grudge match against me.



And let's talk about that for a second. I get it, you're sad I don't like you. You're not used to people not liking you.


But for the love of god, how long are we going to do this for? Are you going to get over it eventually? Look at what it's doing to you man.

You're going to have to deal with the consequences this set. But maybe let's put this behind us. Get over it, for your alliances sake. I've been fighting hard to keep your alliance intact, but you've got to help me out. They aren't going to stick around if you keep letting your hatred for me influence the decisions you make as an alliance leader.

Ivan - I want to go to your kindergarten class. That sounds AWESOME!

He may not have asked you to, Empy. But you're here doing it nonetheless.


And where is Leto, the head of the alliance. Nowhere to be found except asking questions about longbows and posting Eminem lyrics on discord.


He's the epitome of 'I'll watch the house burn down from the street and do nothing about it' guy.

He's more interested in making friends with the neighbor while the house burns down, then he is in addressing the fact that he left the oven on and his family is trapped inside.



Leto only desires to be loved by everyone. That's why he messages me once every few weeks talking sweet, trying to make me like him again. The moment he realizes I still don't like him, and still call him on his garbage, he turns vile and insults my wife.

Round and round we go, Empy. Leto is like a broken clock, predictable and pathetic.


Leto the Cowardly. Gets his alliance in a war due to a personal grudge, and watches from the sidelines as his alliance crumbles around him.

Leto - your alliance is scrambling. Your members are threatening to quit the game. You had FS and you've lost 5 countries, while still falling to kill 1 yet.


Why do you think, as leader for M4D, that you can just avoid all criticism and responsibility for your actions, and that you're going to be allowed to come on these forums and make silly comments that no one actually cares about?



If you didn't want to be an alliance leader, you shouldn't have started an alliance. I think it's really dirty of you to cause all this chaos and grief for your alliance, and then make Empy and SJ and Vic deal with the public backlash.


Be a man, face the music.

Well I'm not very good at this game, so perhaps you can help me out.


Here's what happened. M4D got all m4d, and started attacking me. They sent a ton of chems at me, and then started BRing me. I saw this while I was working and I said 'NO!'. Then I bought things and their attacks failed. Then they kept attacking me. So I bought more things, but I was getting low on money since I've been killed by them twice this set already. So my homies in SoL were like "yo BH, I got you!' and they sent me fluff. So then I was able to buy more fluff.

My population was getting low during all this, so I set my tax rate to 0 and ran some turns. Population went up.


This happened for a period of time before M4D went away and then started sending me mean messages on discord.


Maybe I didn't wall them? I dunno, what's that called? Honestly, I expected to die cause, like I said, I was doing an interview with someone while this was all going down. Luckily I had my dual screen action going on so I could multitask.

So M4D stated they planned to take advantage of land fat countries, but they would do so honorably, and accept retaliation.


What ended up actually happening was that they attempted to take advantage of SoL dishonorably, ended up realizing THEY were the land fat countries, and now is whining about the retaliations that they were supposed to accept.


Sir Jouster, you posted this on April 21st of 2024. I don't have my calendar in front of me. Can anyone tell me if that was opposite day?

Empy - I've been sitting here trying to start netting in SoL.


I've literally been doing nothing since the last time you all killed me in alliance for... whatever reason you had.



What changed? I didn't do anything. SoL didn't do anything. You all attacked SoL, then wrote a war declaration post WITH MY NAME IN THE TITLE.


But I'm the one in the wrong here.... why?

You're going to leave because of me.... because I made... Leto and M4D... attack... me? So it's... my fault?



Yep. That checks out entirely.

So Leto and SirJouster attacked all of SoL because I have a big mouth?


And now what, you're leaving the game, and others in M4D I assume, because of Leto's hubris. Because he couldn't just leave me be, and he had to try to get me one more time.


It wasn't enough that you all attacked me in teams three sets in a row, and now in alliance and killed me here twice already. I found some people that wanted to get to know me and give me a chance, and your all's hatred for me caused you to attack them out of spite?



Leto needs to be a better leader than that. That's a really poor reason to get your alliance killed. Don't blame me for his poor choices.

And what about this set in alliance when ya'll killed me unprovoked? Also not an attack?

Empy - what about the set before when ya'll hunted me? Is that also not an attack? Requiem got killed because you thought I was him.

Jokes on you, Empy. I liked it!

They absolutely did attack me first in teams. Both this round, AND last round when I was with Requiem.