both.

but if i had to pick one, i'd make mandatory background/mental health tests/make would-be gunowners take tests on responsibility and how to safely store firearms away from children and others...stuff like that.

I think limiting WHO can get them is more important than limiting who can get WHAT, you understand?

i agree with the who part

you know Washington state tried to get a law passed requiring yearly inspection of registered firearms? as in they can enter your house and check to make sure or proper storage every year do you understand why a leap like that makes gun owners nervous? How expensive do you think that program would be? What would it really accomplish?

no, why?

TAN, I just want to tel you I looked deeper into the 12 witness thing... The person who reported it has recanted her claims. You were right about that part.

That's cool Vic. I'm glad you looked into it. Now that's not to say that particular "story" isn't what happened. All that means is we're still waiting for more information.

Ok, is that a real no or a "keep my position consistent" no?

I think mrford might have edited that post. i thought the last sentence said "blah blah WA state blah blah. do you know why it this would make gun-owners nervous" and I responded to that, because i don't know the answer to the question.

See, I actually do admit when I am wrong! Who knew? :P

it would make them nervous because an act like that basically means owning a gun forfeits your right to privacy. it is a hell of a jump from a registry to home inspections.

and what exactly would it accomplish? this law wouldnt effect non law abiding gun owners. i suppose it could help cut down on gun theft. badgering gun owners into submission is more like it.

But couldn't you just ask gun owners to take their weapons to a licensed business for inspection? Seems like a home inspection is a bit overkill.

the home inspection would be to check for proper storage

what do they consider proper storage?

keeping a home defense weapon locked in a safe is about the dumbest fluffing idea anyone could have.

haha this became a gun thread.

For a citizen reaction to gun control overreach, see Connecticut. They are a powder keg right now. Cops are refusing to enforce the law because 100s of k are refusing to comply.

i complied and they still havent sent me any paperwork back, so im probably a felon right now. its a sham they are just hoping they can start charging people with low level felonies due to non compliance so they can revoke everyones right to own a firearm.

there are quick access safes, like the ones i have. it adds 2 seconds to me accessing my gun.\

but i am against home inspections ofc

I feel that home inspections are excessive and an invasion to privacy.

I've been saying martial law for a long time, but some people said I was just crazy! Well I don't think crazy is all that I am.

Have you looked into Connecticut Carry? According to them, there are literally 7x as many gun owners ignoring the law as are complying.

http://articles.courant.com/...fles-gun-registration-law

I cannot get the "open letter" to the state legislature to load, but it is pretty freaking ballsy.

im not a member of CCDL but i know plenty of people who did not register, with far more guns then i own. its complete bullfluff, they swept it in quickly and gave a short window to do it while not having the means to even deal with the flood of registrations. luckily i have proof of purchasing my guns years before the bill was passed.

Yup!

Here have some popcorn and a beer!

*hands Mak the goodies*

Officer Wilson suffered a facial Fracture from Mr Brown while the struggle at his car took place.

http://www.foxnews.com/...ichael-brown-says-source/

Tangentially related true story -

I was pitching a column to Cracked.com, and they rejected Fox news as a credible source, but were OK with CBS news. When I pointed out that of the two, only CBS had been guilty of fabricating documents to stir up animus against a sitting president, the editors didn't seem to get the point. After that convo I stopped even going to that site for a long time.

Fox News citing an anonymous source? No thanks.

Once a credible news organization like Reuters or Associated Press verifies the story, then I'll believe it.

Justice has been served to mike brown already.
The treatment of his remains as a spectacle could be addressed but its not something to riot about nationally . Making it about race and not class is dividing the poorest in the country, making change for the poor impossible because of racial division. The unification of the poor in the united states is a threat to the elite and rich. Keep feeding the machine and these instances will continue to flourish in politics and our communities with no real progress or meaningful change.

btw you know that blog article you originally posted saying Wilson got an eye socket fracture and how it had an x-ray/CT of the fracture?

Yeah...that was a pic of someone else's fracture: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/...racture_of_the_Eye_Socket

I didn't see any pictures. Just the report. I'll trust FoxNews on this one.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

That is some funny fluff man.

well, there is your problem...

Did we miss this one?

http://www.stltoday.com/...0a-b1d6-8a6753e2fcb2.html

Nope, hit him both times it would seem.

So these two guys were walking home from a strong arm robbery, all inconspicuous like, in the middle of the road....
Then...
http://youtu.be/pifQm3IZ1tc

funny how the narrative about this story has changed from "omg police shot a fleeing black guy" to "ok, he just robbed a store and ok, he was probably charging at the police officer but the police shouldn't shoot to kill in that situation"

probably because people don't want to admit that they started looting and rioting for the sake of a criminal who tried to attack a police officer

1000% correct mr ford

hmm... i must've phrased my request for a discussion about Ferguson incorrectly. could've sworn that i phrased it in the form of a question...

LOL... that would require actually knowing about who owns guns and about gun transactions. Unfortunately, in most states, people can buy/sell guns without any government knowledge (and thus no opportunity to enforce the above).

You would need a gun owner registry and/or gun sales tracking, something most gun owners I have met object to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole

Really not just gun shows, but any private transaction, as described here:

"Opponents of gun control say there is no gun show loophole, only a long-standing tradition of free commerce between private parties that heretofore has not been restricted in the context of secondary, intrastate firearm sales."

"According to the Center for Gun Policy and Research, there is no such loophole in federal law, in the limited sense that the law does not exempt private-party sales at gun shows from regulation that is required elsewhere. They suggest that the fundamental flaw in the gun show loophole proposal is its failure to address the great majority of private-party sales, which occur at other locations and increasingly over the internet at sites where any non-prohibited person can list firearms for sale and buyers can search for private-party sellers."

Its all private-party sales, and increasingly those over the internet that are unmonitored, unregulated and thus the above suggestions are unenforceable.

Yes.

This incident occurred at noon, middle of the day, not "no cars around in the middle of the night".

Roflmao!
Lol!

Really?

It's crazy, I know, but some people have these things called "beliefs", and of those people, some of them even believe human life is worth a little more than others believe! INSANE!

i am flattered that you wrote such a long post responding to my post, but you apparently didnt read my post because i said the exact same fluff with a twist about there being no national database. dont be a dumbass, dont be a dumbass, dont be a dumbass,




fluff, you are a dumbass. i tried to help

Nooooooo fluff aye?

People also believe really stupid fluff. You know like shooting people in the legs, the easter bunny caliphates, santa claus, and humanity.

it has nothing to do with beliefs. you can be as idealistic as you want until you get into the situation. you can train all you want, until you get into a situation. The first thing that goes out the window upon contact with the "enemy" is the plan.

Firearm training trains to shoot for center mass. you never shoot to maim because shooting for legs or arms, limbs that are moving independently of the center mass which is also moving, are a terrible target, and missing this moving target increases the chance for collateral damage and innocent bystanders getting hurt because some dumbass wanted to run at the cops with a knife.

shooting isnt your first option, but when the escalation of force has reached that point, you shoot to end the situation. this isnt the movies. you cant shoot someone in the foot and they give up. this person was telling the police to kill him and walking towards them with a knife. he clearly didnt value his own life, and was more than likely on some drug.

you keep harping on human life, but what about the lives of the officers? should they put their life in unnecessisairy danger because of some cracked out loser trying suicide by cop? oh, thats right. it is onlt the victims we care about in these situations.

"it has nothing to do with beliefs. you can be as idealistic as you want until you get into the situation. you can train all you want, until you get into a situation. The first thing that goes out the window upon contact with the "enemy" is the plan."

So why train police officers at all? Just give anyone off the street a gun and a badge and you've got equally prepared law enforcement individuals.

Or send atryn around shooting people in the legs!

Everyone has a plan until I punch them in the face.

Heston, do us all a favor, and don't procreate. Go lube up your gun barrel and masturbate with it wrapped in your confederate flag.

BUTTERS WHYD YOU SHOOT HIM IN THE fluff?

WHO DOES THAT

GOD