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LATC

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Aug 6th 2014, 14:02:48

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Sorry Indies!

I just killed military demand by about ~20-30%: http://www.earthempires.com/...emoved-32543?t=1407299980

Dang it, I was so confused because the link in that link dates august 6, 2013 so I was like, are they adding it in next reset or taking it out?! So less military losses now eh?

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Are you guys stupid or what?

Kingme

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Aug 6th 2014, 14:53:12

The change was a little too late i'm afraid.

Xinhuan

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Aug 6th 2014, 15:44:07

Originally posted by LATC:

Dang it, I was so confused because the link in that link dates august 6, 2013 so I was like, are they adding it in next reset or taking it out?! So less military losses now eh?

You have to click the link highlighted by the word "posted" in "Originally posted by qzjul:".

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Aug 6th 2014, 15:46:49

The pain from that change might be offset somewhat for the top commies as "the cube root of relative nw" (whatever the hell that means) is surely pretty big for them.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Sure, the top commies will lose less units by attacking, and that also means they have even MORE units to sell. Supply Increase with Demand Drop = Lower Prices. Sure, I think it'll offset a bit, but I don't think it'll be as much as the price drop.

Even so, all the commies have had an entire month of headstart.

oldman

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Aug 7th 2014, 14:39:07

And suddenly oil and food spike!

My guess - a stocking demo got irritated by the increasing food price and decided to buy out the oil market causing it to spike as well.

blid

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Aug 7th 2014, 15:14:18

it was a buy-out that jumpstarted it i think on both resources, because i saw several million bushels at $36 or w/e and then it suddenly jumped to $59 i believe. and then oil did the same thing right after

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Xinhuan

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Aug 7th 2014, 16:07:18

I don't think it was a buyout. I think there just isn't enough food supply, and the $36 food simply dried up. Oil prices are poor, and oilers are converting rigs to farms.

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Aug 7th 2014, 16:12:55

But several million bushels disappeared at once

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

oldman

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Aug 7th 2014, 16:16:59

Food rose obviously because the techers are stocking.
Oil was a clear case of buyout.

blid

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Aug 7th 2014, 16:17:37

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

It seems like part of the reason why CIs are doing so well this set is because of the announced game changes. One of them was that the NW attack penalty loss for the attacker (cube root of the NW ratio) was supposed to be removed as announced in the Announcements. Only that it wasn't actually removed. People feel that military demand would drop this set, and fewer are playing CIs.

Well, except demand is just as high, but supply is far lower.

How many people do you think actually decided not to be CI because of that change? Maybe you? That's probably it...

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

blid

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Aug 7th 2014, 16:18:06

Tech prices are going to go up as well, and military prices too. Well, I've already seen it happening, I mean, including completely empty markets for certain tech/military.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

crest23

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Aug 7th 2014, 16:50:21

Cashers are going to suck.

The Nigerian Nightmare.

blid

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Aug 8th 2014, 13:00:47

2014-08-08 12:31:47 PS Fantastic Baby (#80) Bivouac (#119) 4385A (6248A)

"I'm not going to win, but maybe I can fluff up a stranger's chance of winning."

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Serpentor

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Aug 9th 2014, 20:47:18

Ok there must be something different with the spy formula, it's nuts. I've got almost 2 mill spies and it still takes a ton of ops to break a 9k country with 300-400k spies. I've never failed as many ops as I have this set. And I've never had to go up to 2 million spies before. :-/

Usually my spal is 3/4 what it is now and I hardly fail an op unless its a super insane spy country. This set all my spare turns are used in killing off my spies instead of exploring. What gives???

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Aug 9th 2014, 21:44:37

Today I spied a country, then I went to spy on his alliances and failed 6 times in a row. I had, ahem, 6x as many spies as that country. SPAL was probably closer though. I think intel allies help low land countries way more than big countries as well, just because you get a 25% bonus from them, which helps those 9k acre countrys way more than the big boys.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Marshal

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Aug 9th 2014, 21:49:25

i don't remember any1 posting spy formula so i've always assumed that those work same way as def and off allies.

Patience: Yep, I'm with ELK and Marshal.

ELKronos: Patty is more hairy.

Gallery: K at least I am to my expectations now.

LadyGrizz boobies is fine

NOW3P: Morwen is a much harsher mistress than boredom....

blid

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Aug 9th 2014, 22:00:26

Yeah, probably, and whose defense can be doubled more easily by his allies, the guy with 500k turrets or the guy with 10m turrets? Same with spies. And if this guy already has a higher SPAL than you because he has 1/4th your land but 1/3 your spy count, well, now his SPAL improves so much the more.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Cannon

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Aug 9th 2014, 23:19:27

Failing 15 ops in a row as a commie, casher or farmer isn't so bad but as a techer it is downright infuriating. Especially when after you get through you see you have a much bigger SPAL than the country. That's when I end up double tapping, when I don't want to potentially waste any more turns failing ops on a 2nd country to hit.

SethMosrite

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Aug 10th 2014, 4:08:25

as a techer you need to resarch spy tech along with your weapons tech, you can't afford to burn turns bouncing ops.

Serpentor

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Aug 10th 2014, 4:49:06

It is amazing though... This set how many ops have bounced on countries they shouldn't normally. Especially that I have more than normal spy count. I was 100% spy production half of yesterday because I got so pissed off at failing so many ops.

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h2orich

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Aug 10th 2014, 6:12:21

I use about 25 spy ops to make 3 PS. downward spiral spies.

eManny

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Aug 10th 2014, 13:07:02

I'm at 41SPAL (allies,spies,tech) and I've bounced dozens and dozens.
I don't even bother to spy on allies I just double the guy up if I only get the normal OP in.

Serpentor

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Aug 11th 2014, 8:03:39

Might as well... Save units in spies and lose more in jets..

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UpTheIrons

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Aug 11th 2014, 12:54:20

I killed 544,468 spies while I slept

Marshal

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Aug 11th 2014, 13:21:18

if so then that's several hundred spy attempts done on you.

LATC

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Aug 11th 2014, 14:02:19

Originally posted by Marshal:

if so then that's several hundred spy attempts done on you.

Probably more like 25-50.

Also, poor Blue Lou Boyle (#83)

2014-08-11 12:35:40 PS killyourspies (#85) Blue Lou Boyle (#83) 4542A (6457A)
2014-08-11 03:26:03 PS Blue Lou Boyle (#83) killyourspies (#85) 639A (1204A)
2014-08-10 09:49:08 PS Fantastic Baby (#80) Blue Lou Boyle (#83) 4471A (6376A)

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Are you guys stupid or what?

UpTheIrons

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Aug 11th 2014, 14:03:53

27 and they didn't even market spy!

oldman

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Aug 11th 2014, 14:05:25

I don't understand the rationale..what is it that the guy who's spying you trying to achieve? Wasting 500k spies to get an op??

UpTheIrons

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Aug 11th 2014, 14:09:47

Maybe they like to get retal'd!

LATC

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Aug 11th 2014, 14:15:12

Maybe the dude is selling ops to the highest bidder ;P

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Are you guys stupid or what?

blid

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Aug 11th 2014, 14:42:26

27? I wonder why he didn't just use all 35.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

UpTheIrons

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Aug 11th 2014, 14:51:45

27 between two countries that hit me, the third country that hit me either has huge spal, got lucky with op(s), or is good at guessing break

LATC

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Aug 11th 2014, 15:02:08

It's funny actually, I feel like I have more success on higher spal countries but fail a ton in a row on bad spal countries. It's almost like the spy success script is reversed.

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Are you guys stupid or what?

ericownsyou5

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Aug 11th 2014, 19:06:41

Quick question:

Do I continue to stock as a techer, or stock and continue to grow?

I fear that if I fall behind in NW as I accumulate bushels, I may start getting hit by the big commies (even though I can retal if I sell stock).

blid

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Aug 11th 2014, 19:19:17

You should have stopped grabbing at this point as a techer. If you find that you're slipping in the rankings too much, you can spend a little stock and boost your def. Otherwise, just make one retal and nobody else will hit you.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

ericownsyou5

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Aug 11th 2014, 19:23:53

Originally posted by blid:

Fair enough. Yeah, I've been done grabbing for a few days. Thanks.

Marshal

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Aug 11th 2014, 19:31:30

spy changes 2013

2b) Spy DR will kick in a bit sooner, but will build more slowly. One of these sets we'll find a good balance =/

2c) Minimum chance of success for spying will be *slightly* raised

spy 2012

Spying:
- The spy DR rate has been cut approximately in half.
- The 3x land/land penalty has been changed to 6x

Xinhuan

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Aug 11th 2014, 21:03:40

Originally posted by blid:

2014-08-11 12:35:40 PS killyourspies (#85) Blue Lou Boyle (#83) 4542A (6457A)
2014-08-11 12:04:37 PS DeLpHiNuS (#135) killyourspies (#85) 627A (1283A)
2014-08-11 09:52:15 PS r a z o r w i r e (#60) killyourspies (#85) 754A (1453A)
2014-08-11 03:26:03 PS Blue Lou Boyle (#83) killyourspies (#85) 639A (1204A)

That's one huge retal, with 2 more possible retals coming. Man, those jets and turret prices are going insane...

crest23

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Aug 12th 2014, 0:27:13

I bet those other 2 puckered up when they saw that retal. It's so easy to come on and say, "Ah that's all my ally sent? Hmm, I can swing that easy" Not realising that your dumbass ally just looked at the 2 bill+ cashing lying around and wanted just a fraction of it whatever the cost. And oh boy, what a cost.

The Nigerian Nightmare.

eManny

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Aug 12th 2014, 1:52:23

Guy can get to 35k acres with the next two retals, which he can make I'm sure.

As a techer that can be a t10 finish even this late in the game. (Assuming that's what he is)

eManny

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Aug 12th 2014, 1:54:09

LATC:

I failed ops x5 against some guy, then I got through first time on a dude with 100SPAL (not counting tech and allies).

Luck is luck.

Serpentor

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Aug 12th 2014, 4:38:05

Lol yeah crazy

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LATC

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Aug 13th 2014, 15:33:17

WOW 2 earthquakes today.. lost 1250+ bldgs. Add on food shortage, not a good day.

Not to mention buying 2.5m jet from 140-150 and having jets come on market at 132 right after I grabbed.

Edited By: LATC on Aug 13th 2014, 15:36:03

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Are you guys stupid or what?

Serpentor

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Aug 13th 2014, 16:40:49

Who sells jets in the 130's? That's so last set...*rolls eyes* 150's only for me if I sell em at all.

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Aug 13th 2014, 16:50:29

Originally posted by blid:

This is shame comment as you will get hit 2-4 times on braziness of players vs your rank and be forced to sell and retal 3/4. Happened too me twice as a big teacher in the last year, best bet us to stock/grow slightly daily and minimize falling behind. Stay top 25 Should be ok.

2014-08-11 12:35:40 PS killyourspies (#85) Blue Lou Boyle (#83) 4542A (6457A)
2014-08-11 12:04:37 PS DeLpHiNuS (#135) killyourspies (#85) 627A (1283A)
2014-08-11 09:52:15 PS r a z o r w i r e (#60) killyourspies (#85) 754A (1453A)
2014-08-11 03:26:03 PS Blue Lou Boyle (#83) killyourspies (#85) 639A (1204A

Prime example 3 people hit him before he logs in he destocks and lays a beating in.

Edited By: Cable on Aug 13th 2014, 16:53:45
See Original Post

blid

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Aug 13th 2014, 17:05:22

Not sure what you're saying at the start of your post, but I did say to keep spending and boosting your def if you're slipping in rankings too much.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Cable

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Aug 14th 2014, 16:35:12

"If you're slipping you should spend little"

I suggest no slipping and spend daily on marginal defence

ericownsyou5

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Aug 14th 2014, 20:34:44

Originally posted by Cable:

"If you're slipping you should spend little"

I suggest no slipping and spend daily on marginal defence

How do you stock then as a techer? You're done grabbing at this point...

LATC

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Aug 14th 2014, 22:21:29

They're saying the same thing except this is how they each would do it:

Cable: Buy 1m turrets everyday, buy food w/ rest of money to stock

Blid: Buy 2m turrets every other day or 3m every 3rd day, buy food w/ rest of money to stock

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Are you guys stupid or what?