161, your last kill.
was walling from my moby, on my way home from weork, then went dead :/

to a degree. but when you choose to over retal, you can't expect us to lay back and take it either. we didn't for LaF and butted heads with them, and we butted heads with you. why should we treat you differently from any other alliance?
we didn't back down to sanct, or NA, or anyone else along the way either.

RD: Nice work on killing me :)
i was onine and walling, then my phone went flat :(
damned naffed battery :/
I got home 8 mins too late to save myself.

lol.
I'll find out who it is and tell them to "L2P n00b", then have them go "ZOMG I know it all, you mad bro, keep qq, r0x0rs, b0x0rs OMG!"

marginally more time than I used to have.
Mostly boxcar and ee boards will be best bet to reach me as I can check them from my phone.

decided that I need to get my arse active again so that we can hopefully prevent issues occurring again through inability to catch one of our leaders.
Message me via boards here, Boxcar insite or MSN: , and I will try to sort out the issue as fast as I can.

on a side note, I am now an active PDM contact again. Feel free to contact me via message on these boards, via Boxcar boards, or via MSN:

oh and the dec war thing?
Pretty sure that the drain it puts on every turn for 72 hours all up makes it more expensive than the land from a single grab is gaining.

seems people are forgetting GA's in the l:l retals. If it takes say 3 grabs to get your land back, that's also 3 lots of bonus GA's. You're spending instant cash/jets which have a minor bearing on current NW, for your land back plus extra land in ghost acres, which gives a long term benefit.
Given that returns are currently NW based, and the ebst returns come from grabbing someone of similar NW, the premise is that both attacker and defender SHOULD have relatively similar amounts of military. Obviously this isn't always the case.
As for defence, of course it's a variable amount, but if I go on a look through my scores list, and I pick say two countries that I will potentially grab, they're sitting on 15k acres, one has 10k turrets, the other has 1.5 million turrets, which am I going to grab?
(and yes, I saw exactly this sit of 15k acres and a 10k break this set)
the way the game currently works, there is always a chance you will be grabbed. But if your defence looks solid, and it looks like it will cost a lot to break you initially, then you're generally not going to get grabbed as a whole.

i was hoping for a resolution to this before set ended, but fluff happens. Would have been nice to get those extra couple of spots.

to quote our policy, which also puts our reasoning behind it:

*In Paradigm policy there is no such thing as a topfeed. Their basis is that the definition of a topfeed is irrelevant for L:L retals and if the country itself isn't getting the land back then the returns aren't important as the person who suffers does not receive the reparations.

I agree that to a degree topfeeding still exists. not to Tarnava's definition which by default means that you're only allowed to grab someone whose country is smaller than yourself, and not those areound you of similar NW, but it does exist.

as for c:c land retals, why should any country in your clan BUT the one that lost the land automatically have ANY right to the lost land? besides, if you have a land thin retaller country, you're probabably going to get l:l back on the 1:1 retal anyways. L:L retals as they currently exist, and that you are trying to force us to accept, exist solely to ensure that the retalling alliance gets their land back, plus interest, plus ghost acres.

Are you trying to stop people LG'ing altogether?
Because it certainly seems like it.

for teh LaF types.... farm away, but PLEASE STOP BOUNCING!!!! You're wasting perfectly good jets!
boxcar TELLS you the break soon as you update the op for frack's sake! It's a former LaF player who created it, you guys of all people should know how to use it properly!
Feb 28/11 1:36:30 AM SS Grinchville (#619) (LaF) SRs T72 (#161) (Paradigm) Defence Held
Feb 28/11 12:14:57 AM SS LaFwishALLhappyCNY (#520) (LaF) SRs T72 (#161) (Paradigm) Defence Held
Feb 28/11 6:33:31 PM SS Modern Stone Age (#650) (LaF) SRs T72 (#161) (Paradigm) Defence Held
Feb 28/11 6:33:09 PM SS Modern Stone Age (#650) (LaF) SRs T72 (#161) (Paradigm) Defence Held
Mar 01/11 1:42:40 AM SS P to the Nani (#632) (LaF) SRs T72 (#161) (Paradigm) Defence Held
Mar 01/11 1:42:31 AM SS P to the Nani (#632) (LaF) SRs T72 (#161) (Paradigm) Defence Held
Mar 01/11 1:42:20 AM SS P to the Nani (#632) (LaF) SRs T72 (#161) (Paradigm) Defence Held

kj: you have no proof.
I'm a proud PDM'er btw.

seems a bit pointless to contact you after you already dec'd and FS'd?
A reason would have been nice though.

Sadly for LaF and RD, popular opinion is generally going to be against them over this. It's a shame, as whilst yeah I could see how it could have been co ordinated, and I could construct a nice machiavellian timeline of events, I don't think that it's the case.

wait a month long drug fuelled holiday?
Was your aWar Charlie Sheen??

if there were issues from last set, I wasn't aware, but then, I did only start playing again halfway through last set, and didn't pay much attention to anything else. I'm not concerned.

Is LC still around?

apparently RD feel they need to assist their allies. Is all I can make out here.
/shrug.
Let's get em.

you know what?
Set just got interesting :D
Tarnava: seems that we're now getting along just fine with most of LaF's members on the boards bar you. i can see why you are pissy, and I would be too, no arguing that, but seriously.
Anyways <3 to RD, I'll pay y'all a visit soon.
I'm going to give LaF the benefit of the doubt over this, though if it comes out that LaF DID know, then there will probably be future issues.

iMag doesn't count, they war everyone.

tarnava: because the game is in a state where we can no longer afford that kind of attitude. Doing a single tap on a similar NW country then buying up to avoid the retal is the sort of thing I mean. Crap like a massive country relentlessly farming out a tiny country with no hope ever of retalling is disgusting IMO.

I'm trying to argue towards a more active and friendly natured grabbing atmosphere, so that both all x and landgrabbers can profit and have fun.

and yeah, 16yo giirl got crushed or something.

so long as they don't shag in the us it's fine :P

tarnava: i meant friendly single taps, not 4 or 5 countries triple-quad tapping, and where there is also a reasonable chance for the other side to retal.
The concept I am trying to encapsulate here isn't coming across so well. That atmosphere of hoping the retal bounces, or hoping that you come out in front after a successful retal.

*sharpens his axe*

i am trying to make the point of competitive LG'ing, which I feel modern policies strangle.

oh of course, the concept is to make the LG, then stock def and hope the retal bounces :P
friendly banter with the guy you are grabbing is also a must imo.

oh of course, the concept is to make the LG, then stock def and hope the retal bounces :P
friendly banter with the guy you are grabbing is also a must imo.

If all clans got into the spirit of single tap, single retal we'd possibly be able to get somewhere with LG'ing again. i know that other than 1 tool in ICN who decided to be an arrogant prat over like 0.6% of a land return justifying another retal for even more land, I've had pretty good relations with grabs/ retals with basically everyone. Too many bad attitudes.

Something for PDM/LaF to pioneer maybe?
Topfeeding definition perhaps needs to go back more to it's more original def so that we can see intelligent and competitive midfeed grabs, atm 'topfeeding' is more about trying to get away with being excessively fat compared to your neighbours without taking a risk of losing ones land. If you are a landfat country who gets grabbed, and can't get the land back, have a clan mate running a retaller country get it. Oft times the retaller will be running landthin for just that reason.

Meh, ramblings of an old vet I suspect

16 is also legal in aus. 16 and 18 isn't so bad tbh.
Slash DID offer to take him to a strip club when they were in NZ at the same time...
Golf clap to slash

dl, the ix/rage stuff continued well after slit/anti slit... As I recall ix raped rage hard for like another 3 sets, then jumped paradigm, before ix/sol ditched tie, and tie/pdm went on to beat ix/sol in the face for a couple of sets.

EDIT: I remember it because I recall being MOST vocal on the Paradigm boards at the time about us NOT going to your aid and pacting out.

*bows*
youtube ONN Justin Bieber :D

i think that applies to a lot of clans these days though rockman. A large part of it I suspect is that it's mostly worn out old vets still playing because of our obsession wiith the game, without giving a fluff enough to excel. Worse, the few genuinely new people joining the game for the first time aren't getting taught how to excel because of that same veteran apathy, and the consequence is that those with the fire to do well and excel don't have the knowledge and skill to do so.

Pdm HAS proven we can war in the past, however the war team we had leading the show back then is gone, except for me, and I am a retired fogey who plays a half ass country for fluffs and giggles. Participation in war has always been our problem, and under other war leaders, a loss of focus on our primary objectives.

The couple of sets I played in MD just before they left were a nice breath of fresh air, but Paradigm is, was and always will be my home.
Short form of the last rambling, I admit I am one of those worn out vets :P

let's hear from those inside SoL... :P
scourge and darkmere still around?

hehe

oh leave poor bieber alone, she gets enough crap as it is :D

pang: I'm happy to land trade reasonable grabbing in the classic style of single tap and retal here and there :D

oh and Thomas, I think the farming and attempted farming back and forth is more amusing than an out and out war. Back in the days where I wasn't working as much as I do now, I did sit up all night for warchats etc.
These days I am getting too old for that sh*t. :P
at the end of the day, LaF are amusing themselves, we're amusing ourselves, who gives a crap?

prom: sounds like a visit to the barber is in order?
Anyways, Bieber is really a 51yo Pedo, Onion News said so!
:D

meh, I'll stand for LT and say 1 hour? fluff happens :p
nukes were probably unjustified. PDM policy does allow for their use, but I think the intent was for it to be in extreme cases, rather than what we got.

rockman has a point :p
though if nothing else, we've already convvinced LaF that running defence is a good idea :D
who says you can't live and learn!
even if they did spoil my plans for a decent farming run :(
oh well, live and learn.

yeah numbers are out by several mil. this is what I didn't get. I remember a similar problem in old earth occurring every now and again with some people's food at a stocking price just vanishing. not sure if you guys cured that in the new coding or whether it's linked to that again.
MorTcuS: I am talking about several million that I put straight back up for stockpile as soon as I did my first turn. 41 million went up, I have a record of about 30 million selling and the rest disappeared.

Dagga: watch for a massive landfarm of LaF in about 12-24 hours ;)
I kinda miss Thatguy now... 35k in a day off them :p

meh, I've never been a fan of nukes. as you say, very wasteful.
it's land I could farm.
and I believe I may be getting old, I am mellowing towards LaF. I am still going to farm you back, no doubts of it, but without any malice and much amusement.
Han: shame we had to run into each other under circumstances like this

yeah evidence so we can sort it would be nice. OR sending a message to one of our leadership types with a list of the confirmed offending countries.

you expect logic of any form from LaF where PDM is concerned?
Laf is PDM's new ix.
Funny really when you go back to the slit wars, and pdm were the first to accept LaF pacting out after they got methodically reamed by every single non slit clan. 20/20 hindsight, should have farmed and hit them nonstop.

oh and for anyone trying to claim I was on 20k acres with 300k, I was sitting on 14k with 1.5 million, and climbing. The LaF'er I grabbed by accident at the start of the set was sitting on like 10k with a 10k ss break...

keep spinning LaF :)
just waiting on full turns to return your friendly farm of my country.
So long as I make back 13-14k acres + ghost acres, I am apparently taking L:L by LaF's own retal policy. Just like they took from #594.

you forgot about walking 10 miles to and from the mill each day, uphill both ways!