locket, you're upset that we wouldn't take part in your attempt to troll us? Especially after saying things like:


(i.e., I'm ready to listen when you agree with what I'm saying)

and


(which shows that you don't understand the issue since you keep going back to me on an issue that had input from a large chunk of the mods/staff)

and


(we discussed all these issues lots; too much, IMO. you're just choosing to reject what we say instead of accepting it and move on.)

Additionally, I've been spending my online time helping resolve people's Boxcar concerns/password issues rather than re-explaining my actions to those who choose to reject what we posted already, in full.

Everyone else is hitting the nail on the head about why we aren't responding and you keep ignoring what they say. Do you understand yet why I'm not interested in taking part in this?

Seriously, knock it off ffs!

This hack was a sad event in the history of ee.

I'm more then thankful for Pang/Qz/admins and the effort they put in to have this game up for us. What RD leadership did is disgraceful and illegal and as far as I'm concerned no punishment is hard enough for the individuals that participated in this hack.

I hope that they file a police-report on this and I hope the people who did this hack goes to fluffing jail.

I feel bad for the innocent RD-ppl though. I really do. Maybe what we all can learn from this is that the top of RD just doesn't change.

IF IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. AKA BOTH YOU AND ME KNOW I DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT TECH STUFF. SO I WOULD NEED IT PUT TO ME IN A CERTAIN WAY OR PERHAPS I WOULD HAVE TO ASK SOMEONE WHO KNOWS MORE WHICH I HAVE DONE ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE POSTED. IS IT MORE CLEAR NOW?

And my question still hasnt been answered Pang. How does deleting all of RD deter future cheating? That IS the title of the thread afterall. What aspect of this will have any more affect then what happened in Laf? Laf got killed just as RD got killed. It was just different people doing the killing. Hanlong and TC were every bit as responsible for Laf dying as Copper has been for RD being deleted. If your goal was to make them feel guilt or show people that you will delete their friends then your goal is misguided. That happened with Laf and it didnt work then. Why should it work now?

Perhaps your reading comprehension is lacking though. See! I can make snide little remarks just like you can.

I also love that everything on these fluffing boards is considered trolling when someone doesnt agree with you. I outlined points and tried to prompt a discussion. OH WHAT A fluffING TROLL HE IS! LOOK AT HIM GO! Jesus. This is pathetic.


On a not annoyed with how you can be sometimes point... perhaps your newest thread about prosecuting will be the answer to the escalated penalty for this instance. See? That could have been an answer you could have given.

How does the fact that hanlong got off light have anything to do with whether or not this completely separate and much harsher punishment will deter someone in the future? The fact that hanlong got off light is evidence IN FAVOUR of these actions here. He got off light. Someone did it again. You up the ante.

yah, yah, up the ante until everybody gets deleted whenever someone cheats.

Because he deleted RD as an alliance. What has Copper had done to him (before this criminal investigation thing has popped up) that is going to really punish him? I assume his country history and such is still intact. I dont remember seeing anything about a banning. If Copper is guilty then he was getting the same punishment as the rest of RD from everything I saw. This criminal issue might change my mind on it being light though.

Ok ok ok as the last surviving member of the KSF regime i state that this thread SUCKS. All of this could have been avoided by having a massive server war and giving me all your land. Another way this could be solved is by not being a 12 year old kid though i know thats hard for some of us XD.

Now might i direct all missiles at those that hate this post. North Korea get ready.

You ask "What has Copper had done to him?" The fact that his friends all had their sets ruined and are now in the situation they are in. You're working under the assumption that Copper gives a fluff about his country history or personal accomplishments. Pang et al. are working under the assumption that Copper cares about his friends and clan mates in RD. It depends which you agree with. I think it's far more likely that Copper and the others did this to benefit RD rather than for some personal gain. If that's the case, personal punishments mean nothing. Instead, you punish the people that they broke the rules for.

In your opinion then, how do you think Pang/QZ should have handled the issue if you were in their place? Legit question.

If you're going to keep talking about me like I'm some kind of omnipotent being who controls everything, without working with others, can you start capitalizing the first letter of the pronouns you use to talk about me?

Thanks.

Im sure the imminent jail sentence is enough of a deterrent now

The EE database does not have the sort of personal info that boxcar had, no. Additionally, in EE (and evo2025), at the time, passwords were hashed using a *much* stronger algorithm, that can't just have their hashes googled heh... and has since been upgraded to have random salts and run through a random number, in the thousands, of the hashing algorithm...

+1 qz

Because people might think twice about cheating if they know that they are not the only ones who will bear the punishment, but also their friends.



Because LaF as a whole wasn't immediately affected by it, other than some brief political stuff. They still won their war I think?



It is different, because instead of this being vigilante justice that takes a lot of work and effort, that LaF could fight against, and come together in defence, this is instant, swift, and not defensible.



ALL CAPS! o.O lol

I think they just get bored with repetition



I don't follow?

qz: LaF was annihilated by Sol, MD, Evo and I think PDM with no backup from our allies in the reset tc and hanlong were exposed. We were tagkilled in a week or two and didn't come back in an organized fashion until the reset after. So while it wasn't quite as severe as a deletion, it was very far from us winning the war that reset.

did you guys learn your lesson?

I'd say yes. There was certainly a very strong consensus internally that it was wrong and a bloody stupid thing to.

Doesn't mean we hate hanlong though, if that's what you mean? His contributions to LaF has been solid over a long time, and while we think he did a bad judgement call on that, I do not think it was of the same magnitude as this incident. There were no passwords stolen or anything like that that could truly affect a person's real life.

Do I think he deserved to get deleted when he did and even banned for a while, sure. Do I think he deserves a permanent ban? No.

Do you think the source code that was stolen then should have been shared with these guys from RD?

No, not at all. I'm not going to defend TC's actions in this.

Laf got smashed the next set QZ, and they didnt allow any allies to join. I absolutely hated the set and was pissed at Hanlong the entire time.

The last bit was referring to the thread by another admin about going to the police about stuff.

Qz didn't stop allies from helping LaF. LaF stops its allies from helping by telling them to stay out.

LaF knew it had to take its licks in order to move on.

There should be a comma in there. I know that QZ had nothing to do with it. I knew everything going on then in our decisions for that set.