January/February 2013 Talk - Earth Empires Forum

blid

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Feb 14th 2013, 15:17:12

Originally posted by oldman:

well, not that much more, maybe 58-59 turns' worth every day with booms included.

59.714 ;)

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Karim

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Feb 14th 2013, 16:01:25

If there wasn't the risk to be grabbed by the top guys, it would makes sense to hold turns for a CI.

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blid

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Feb 14th 2013, 16:04:40

If there wasn't the risk of turns overflowing.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Karim

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Feb 14th 2013, 16:06:17

well, 2 days of turns are a lot atm, with market changing.

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h2orich

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Feb 14th 2013, 18:11:04

Originally posted by BobbyATA:

there aren't 72 turns/day h20. More like 54

my bad. lol

crest23

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Feb 14th 2013, 18:46:46

At this rate I don't think you are safe Karim. ANd not just from the top guys.

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Karim

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Feb 14th 2013, 19:12:22

Well, if someone wants to retal me, this late in the set, it's obvious he can: i'll made it cost a ton jets and oil wise, it's all i can do :)

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Xinhuan

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Feb 14th 2013, 19:17:21

It's not late in the reset yet Karim. The top cashers and farmers will be grabbing another 7-10 days. The higher the food price, the longer they grab on unless they went Decay bonus. Commies generally stop maybe about 3-4 days earlier than them.

As an example, I'll invite you to check when the top 3 cashers and the top 3 commies stopped grabbing last reset (Serp chose to stop a lot earlier and stock food instead, I believe he could have finished higher, which he agreed with in last reset's thread).

Edited By: Xinhuan on Feb 14th 2013, 19:19:26
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AndrewMose

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Feb 14th 2013, 19:24:07

210 has grown on average 5000 acres per day the last five days.

Karim

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Feb 14th 2013, 19:24:24

I meant late meaning expensive: retals at this point costs a ton, so it has to be worth, cause that land is going to cost :)

I checked when top commies stopped grabbing a long ago and, judging by your comment, is better if i check again :D

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Karim

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Feb 14th 2013, 19:25:51

And yes, 210 may be an incoming issue....

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AndrewMose

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Feb 15th 2013, 18:48:23

Is $200M within reach? 100k acres is. And he may go higher if he doesnt have decay bonus.

BobbyATA

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Feb 15th 2013, 22:08:17

Is demoing before a retal considered legit. I forget and would not like to upset anyone.

blid

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Feb 15th 2013, 22:10:45

Doesn't GDI take that off the table?

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

BobbyATA

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Feb 15th 2013, 22:11:57

Originally posted by blid:

Doesn't GDI take that off the table?

good point. Thanks blid.

BobbyATA

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Feb 15th 2013, 22:15:58

about the guy stealing tech, I realized today bomb banks actually steals money (instead of blowing it up as the op name would lead you to believe). I wonder how much $$ you can get "bombing the banks" of a guy who went resource decay and is stocking cash...

blid

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Feb 15th 2013, 22:27:52

Probably not enough to pay back the hit he'd make on you, heh. Seems like just fluffery that'll take you both down.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

BobbyATA

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Feb 15th 2013, 22:39:51

I'm not going to do it b/c I'm out of it (that's an understatement), but I'm not sure if it is fluffery or not if you are competing. Really a comment on just bomb banks being a misnomer heh and pointing out the steal tech guy could probably do a lot better with bomb banks instead.

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Feb 15th 2013, 22:54:37

Well I really think it's only successful if your goal is to be a pain in the ass, because if you take any serious $$$ you'll get popped and then you won't have benefited.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

BobbyATA

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Feb 15th 2013, 23:07:18

Originally posted by blid:

Well I really think it's only successful if your goal is to be a pain in the ass, because if you take any serious $$$ you'll get popped and then you won't have benefited.

Someone went resource decay:P

blid

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Feb 16th 2013, 0:26:00

Someone probably, but not me.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

crest23

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Feb 16th 2013, 0:58:00

2 people that were top CIs last week are goners right now. In the span of 3-4 days they've lost more land than they gained all set.

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blid

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Feb 16th 2013, 1:35:07

Bobby just ate a 20-day old retal. That seems excessive! I wonder what he'll do this time.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

crest23

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Feb 16th 2013, 1:47:41

That guy has 4.5% warfare, Bobby will need those spies working daily.

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herbs12

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Feb 16th 2013, 2:01:25

Most of the Commies who have fallen were not economically set up when the market crashed. Very few commies had the production to last through the recession that hit. That is why they fell and got farmed.

When you sit with pretty much no weapons, buisness , residential, and military tech and prices drop your expenses almost outweight the production income. Especially when they continued to grab and what precious few positive dollars they made went to building cost and oil.

So when you look at there news there countries went stagnant and did not grow in positive net worth for days on end. They grew in land and not tech to match.

The ones who stayed at the top played the market accordingly and kept there income and country still moving forward with a changed plan.

Anyone can play a strat properly and do decent. But the best netters can adapt to any market situation adjust there play and still stay at the top. That is why the same roughly 20 ppl make the top 15 setly, despite there strats they choose.

LATC

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Feb 16th 2013, 2:05:34

their* their* their* their*

Sorry, was having a fit reading that.

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Are you guys stupid or what?

herbs12

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Feb 16th 2013, 2:10:28

Lol, would you like me to edit that?

Cannon

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Feb 16th 2013, 2:13:37

Originally posted by LATC:

their* their* their* their*

Sorry, was having a fit reading that.

I totally agree with what you said right they're. Jokes, but I was thinking the same thing reading that lol

herbs12

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Feb 16th 2013, 2:17:07

Haha, you all get the point despite the errors.

blid

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Feb 16th 2013, 6:36:48

Well, the commies falling seem to have helped the top commies. Now it's not a bad commie round anymore, pretty decent in fact.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Xinhuan

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Feb 16th 2013, 7:42:12

So Indies, Techers and Farmers all had their fun so far this round... Must suck to be a Casher.

Rob

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Feb 16th 2013, 7:53:34

Among the worst sets to be a casher. However, I think cashing is a little overpowered in primary so cashers will still do well despite high prices of all the commodities at some point

BobbyATA

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Feb 16th 2013, 14:38:21

Originally posted by blid:

Bobby just ate a 20-day old retal. That seems excessive! I wonder what he'll do this time.

I'll treat it like a LG which it probably was, not a very late retal. Just like this exchange:

2013-02-15 23:02:24 PS Fiscal Cliff (#29) Tassadar (#101) 2895A (4176A)
2013-02-13 13:12:13 PS Tassadar (#101) Fiscal Cliff (#29) 758A (1588A)
2013-01-26 20:21:57 PS Fiscal Cliff (#29) Tassadar (#101) 535A (1147A)

BobbyATA

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Feb 16th 2013, 14:39:43

Herbs one of the commies was played by a very good player who started the set a day late and then got aggressive to try to catch up and got retalled earlier in the set. I'm assuming he just kinda gave up before the hits really came in, b/c he is much better than this.

crest23

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Feb 16th 2013, 16:35:16

That's why I am a fan of randomizing alliances (DA and IA) on solo server.The same top 15/20 guys are allied to each other in interlocking relationships. You set can go to hell really quick the span of 20 hrs.

Look at #310 for example. He had a fairly decent set and then does a land trade, next day he continues his business but the blood is in the water cos he is just a tad bit fatter than normal, just slightly lower in NW that usual. Before he can log in again boom, boom, boom, three head shots. Of course he's going to retal them all, problem is with each trade you are just screwing yourself cos this game is more about strategy than it is about land.

He retals one of the 3, before he logs in again 2 head shots, he logs in retals one, before he logs in again 3 head shots, he retals one and then 5 heads shots, bleeding profusely now, he has no more strength to muster another retal.

And I'm fairly certain the guys hitting him are all inter related alliance wise and can just hit without even spying.

Edited By: crest23 on Feb 16th 2013, 16:46:02
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Xinhuan

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Feb 16th 2013, 16:41:13

I'm not a fan of randomizing DA/IA because you might get lucky/unlucky with allies, and that alone is the major contributing factor to your finish.

Worse than the random earthquakes.

crest23

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Feb 16th 2013, 16:44:46

I doubt it, most of the top guys only get retals unless someone want to topfeed them. In tourney, the same top guys in Primary are the top guys there and they don't have allies there.

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Feb 16th 2013, 16:45:08

I think when one guy breaks a new target, everyone thinks "if he can break him so can I". Then it quickly goes to " I'd better hit it before anyone else does". LG targets disappear fast around here and it is a battle to hit when targets are available and still large enough for good returns.

Added:
My point is that alliances don't effect this. people don't coordinate LGs with their allies to take someone down enough to not Retal. This all happens regardless because we're all greedy for land and are all trying our best to win.

Also seeing the same players in tourney on top doesn't prove you're point. It actually goes against it. If some of those players were disadvantaged with lesser allies, and some blessed with good ones, that would be enough to make or break a good set or not. All things equal, with good allies or no allies they are on top, but give some good allies and some crap allies and its a different ball game.

Edited By: Serpentor on Feb 16th 2013, 16:55:34
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oldman

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Feb 16th 2013, 16:47:26

the number of vultures sitting around hunting for easy land is scary. If one guy gets hit once, he can expect many more to follow.

Magellaan

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Feb 16th 2013, 16:47:48

You need to get your retals in real fast when you get hit :)
But once you get hit a couple times you're done for really. No top finish. It's a really fine balance between keeping enough military and enough tech etc. Especially if the market is tough like for farmers early in the set and for indies later in the set.

Not MD, fake Magellaan.

crest23

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Feb 16th 2013, 16:49:53

Yes Serp, but it's more about just looking at what your ally sent and send appropriately. The guy lost 30k acres in ~5 days, that is MUCH worse than earthquakes Xin. You can add #295 to that list as well. He has lost close to 40k acres in the same ~5 days.

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Magellaan

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Feb 16th 2013, 16:52:15

Maybe if OAs get removed DAs could get nerfed somewhat? I'd like that better than random pacting.

Not MD, fake Magellaan.

The Cloaked

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Feb 16th 2013, 17:08:38

310 made his bed. He decided to land trade right at the trough of military prices. It took me 3 days just to pay for rebuilding the acres and I had double the tech and was fully built vs his 8k junk acres and I saw a huge spike in attempted spy ops from land prospectors.

Landtrading is NEVER worthwhile for 40k+acre countries on this server. Especially when your jets are fetching $90.

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Feb 16th 2013, 17:20:41

Originally posted by crest23:

I really don't see the point you're making. People aren't more likely to hit #310 on account of being able to see how much their allies sent. All they need to see is that he got hit period, and then everyone is going to pile on him regardless. And for a hit of that size, I don't care what my ally sent, I'm getting my own intel anyway.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

theannonymousone

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Feb 16th 2013, 17:38:11

Yes Bobby, come retal me plz =)

On a side note, food price is ridic. Since switching over to farmer 6 days ago I've gone from 5.9m NW to 16.8m and gained 20k acres.. though mostly at the expense of one guy who seems more determined to retal the top players then attack me back..