January/February 2013 Talk - Earth Empires Forum

OneMansArmy

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Feb 16th 2013, 20:29:35

Maybe because he was the first one to hit him and send the message to others that he is a target worth grabbing?

To be honest he just looked like a target when I was grabbing though. I thought about grabbing him, but then I remembered who the player behind the country was and based on previous sets history decided against it.. heh

Other than Earth Empires I also play Battlefield games:
http://www.youtube.com/user/UneManArmy/featured

theannonymousone

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Feb 16th 2013, 20:39:15

I keep trying to get Gogy to hit me so I can fight him again, but he won't bite my bait. I hear he's been claiming he won the war last set, yet he won't fight me this time and for the first time in two years is playing under a different name - so yeah ok gogy, lie to yourself all you want. I goofed around the entire reset and I have a higher NW than him..

As for picking a fight, I already launched 20 some NM/EM's at someone who missiled me.. and now I really just want to launch my 20+ CM's at someone.

Xinhuan

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Feb 16th 2013, 21:22:52

Are you saying gogy is pindippy (#295)?

theannonymousone

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Feb 16th 2013, 21:33:38

no, I WIN is gogy, and I steal tech from him from time to time and fail on purpose. pindippy just had a crap ton of land with almost no D

Edited By: theannonymousone on Feb 16th 2013, 21:47:08
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blid

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Feb 16th 2013, 22:50:48

You're trying to get Gogy to war you and you haven't even attacked him? You could try harder.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

theannonymousone

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Feb 17th 2013, 17:27:09

Why would I go after a guy's strong point (15% DB and 155% weapons) when I can hit him where he's weak, i.e. spies? Did the Germans try to go through the Maginot Line in WWII?

crest23

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Feb 17th 2013, 17:52:53

How do you fall a spy op on purpose? I need to learn how not to fall a spyop.

The Nigerian Nightmare.

BobbyATA

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Feb 17th 2013, 19:29:44

Originally posted by crest23:

How do you fall a spy op on purpose? I need to learn how not to fall a spyop.

Spy on a guy when he is in DR?

theannonymousone

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Feb 17th 2013, 19:30:08

you just keep doing it until you fail duh. I think failure rates for harmful ops rise around 20 ops, regardless of SPAL of victim (unless he has 0 spies, but even then you can still fail for some reason - maybe a spy sleeps w/ a government official in the country and tells her he's a spy and to run away with him and she reports it).

afaik

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Feb 18th 2013, 10:50:00

Originally posted by theannonymousone:

=Did the Germans try to go through the Maginot Line in WWII?

But... didn't they lose though?

blid

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Feb 18th 2013, 23:09:19

That tyrant is now making $70m/turn haha. That's $4b/day. He doesn't really need to stock at these prices, he can just keep grabbing and growing...

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Magellaan

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Feb 18th 2013, 23:45:19

Maybe he can stock more than most while at the same time he can keep growing? I'm too lazy to do the math but it seems right.

Not MD, fake Magellaan.

Serpentor

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Feb 18th 2013, 23:52:20

100/100??

I'd say so.

The EEVIL Empire

theannonymousone

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Feb 19th 2013, 1:36:08

Originally posted by afaik:

Originally posted by theannonymousone:

=Did the Germans try to go through the Maginot Line in WWII?

But... didn't they lose though?

They lost because of France's allies, if they were fighting on primary server france and a few others would have been deleted or germans woulda won easy. I'm glad the real world doesn't operate under the silly rules of primary server.

xinwei

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Feb 19th 2013, 2:31:26

techer start destock? still got ~2 weeks left i thought

BobbyATA

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Feb 20th 2013, 2:36:10

"Your forces will not spy on such a large opponent!"

Bah, this set just got less fun:( (just spy ops not harmful ops to be clear)

AndrewMose

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Feb 20th 2013, 16:21:23

i can count 19 possible finishes >100M. Should be very close together in the 100 to 120 range.

OneMansArmy

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Feb 21st 2013, 9:53:35

That is a lot of competition for the top spots! And if it pans out would be a record number of 100mil+ finishes unless I am mistaken?

http://www.eestats.com/primary/oldranks/375
Was the most I could find with 13 countries at 100mil+

Other than Earth Empires I also play Battlefield games:
http://www.youtube.com/user/UneManArmy/featured

OneMansArmy

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Feb 21st 2013, 10:08:10

On another note, is food worth stocking as a Casher now that its fallen in price?

Other than Earth Empires I also play Battlefield games:
http://www.youtube.com/user/UneManArmy/featured

Xinhuan

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Feb 21st 2013, 13:28:35

Calculate that yourself, OMA. :)

Rob

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Feb 21st 2013, 17:13:46

I only see 14 countries with the potential to break 100m. Max 15.

AndrewMose

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Feb 21st 2013, 17:33:08

I counted 2 farmers, 3 techers, 7 commies, 7 cashers. There are some that I am generous on, and probably wont make it. But they have the chance given size.

herbs12

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Feb 21st 2013, 18:14:28

No it's not worth it for cashiers to stock. If they do then bushel price will jump right back up.

Rob

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Feb 21st 2013, 18:19:55

I for one am not going to stock a single bushel. Not one. Hear that farmers!!

Magellaan

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Feb 21st 2013, 18:23:57

:(

please stock bushels lol

Not MD, fake Magellaan.

OneMansArmy

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Feb 21st 2013, 21:32:36

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Calculate that yourself, OMA. :)

But I don't have a casher country and I never played casher before. I am just curious what you big guys are planning to do. =]

Other than Earth Empires I also play Battlefield games:
http://www.youtube.com/user/UneManArmy/featured

VivaNick

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Feb 22nd 2013, 5:58:00

WoW, I saw some1 with 90k+ land!

afaik

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Feb 22nd 2013, 7:56:38

you must be seeing things viva... nobody can get to 90+k in this server as you get your multi to topfeed them before they can get there. rvp v svs, rip mr purple.

VivaNick

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Feb 22nd 2013, 8:30:33

Dont be so upset... Too much land is not so efficiency:

1) building cost
2) expenses on oil
3) expenses on military
4) expenses on techs

VS

Stock piles

VivaNick

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Feb 22nd 2013, 9:12:28

& afaik, mind your words.

Edited By: VivaNick on Feb 22nd 2013, 9:22:26
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afaik

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Feb 22nd 2013, 9:41:14

woo scary. your threats are pitiful. don't fluff with me and i won't call you out for fluffing with me... c'est ca!

Chewi

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Feb 22nd 2013, 14:02:33

His multi stopped topfeeding and switched to being a farm!

2013-02-05 15:35:49 PS Vengeful Spirit (#186) there for me (#168) 332A (441A)
2013-02-05 15:34:38 PS Vengeful Spirit (#186) there for me (#168) 326A (490A)
2013-02-02 21:19:00 PS Vengeful Spirit (#186) there for me (#168) 379A (492A)
2013-02-02 21:18:37 PS Vengeful Spirit (#186) there for me (#168) 372A (542A)
2013-02-01 21:10:45 PS Vengeful Spirit (#186) there for me (#168) 462A (658A)
2013-02-01 21:10:01 PS Vengeful Spirit (#186) there for me (#168) 433A (755A)
2013-01-31 20:47:51 PS Vengeful Spirit (#186) there for me (#168) 498A (853A)

blid

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Feb 22nd 2013, 15:01:14

Originally posted by VivaNick:

Dont be so upset... Too much land is not so efficiency:

1) building cost
2) expenses on oil
3) expenses on military
4) expenses on techs

VS

Stock piles

He may have gone building cost bonus. But 95k land... why not grab to 100k? Boo!

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

crest23

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Feb 22nd 2013, 15:17:31

There's no one left to grab?

The Nigerian Nightmare.

h2orich

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Feb 22nd 2013, 15:27:23

Plenty of people to grab. just do 5 grabs of 1k acres each.

blid

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Feb 22nd 2013, 15:41:57

Maybe he can't get any of his food to sell and got stuck, haha

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

oldman

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Feb 22nd 2013, 15:57:37

food price goes from $72 to $45 in 72 hours. This is unprecedented.

blid

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Feb 22nd 2013, 15:59:25

The only part of that that's unprecedented is that it was at $75. Crashing down when techers all fall over each other trying to dump their bushels has a lot of precedent.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

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blid

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Feb 22nd 2013, 16:02:38

Say there's 5 techers that have 200m bushels each. It probably takes 72 hours for that many bushels to sell, plus you have the normal farmer food supply. No techer's bushels will have time to completely sell out before the next techer undercuts him, hence an enormous crash. I would guess prices will take a 4-6 day fall before most of the techers' bushels get sold. Once the bushels are all sold the price will go back up but not so high as before because likely techers won't be as big a part of the bushel demand anymore.

Edited By: blid on Feb 22nd 2013, 16:04:38
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Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

oldman

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Feb 22nd 2013, 16:05:05

the techers are just killing each other. The one who sold first would have benefited though.

So to summarize everything,
techers are killing each other.
cashers are laughing because they don't have to grab till the end and can start stocking soon.
farmers are just disappointed.
Indies are neutral.

Edited By: oldman on Feb 22nd 2013, 16:08:00
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blid

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Feb 22nd 2013, 16:10:56

What else are techers supposed to do? They *have* to sell their food, so there's going to be a massive supply spike and price crash no matter what. It's inevitable. And they all have incentive to sell as early as possible, so they can dump bushels before the others and before the inevitable crash.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

AndrewMose

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Feb 22nd 2013, 16:18:30

food will always crash to the price at which cashers are willing to stock or below. Depending on supply there may be a bounce once techers sell, or if a techer buys back.

blid

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Feb 22nd 2013, 16:25:32

Unfortunately cashers don't stock food these days, heh, unless the food price gets REALLY low I guess...

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

oldman

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Feb 22nd 2013, 16:31:36

$45 is about as low as it will get, it will go below $45 for a bit, but will bounce back and maintain at about $45 if last set's prices were any indication of how things will progress.

blid

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Feb 22nd 2013, 16:47:08

I was thinking about the decision points of when to eat corruption and when to stock food and I'm having trouble coming up with a concise formula...

but it's easy to do spot checks and to see which is more efficient at a given point. For example, say you have $4b on hand, you are losing .1%, or $2m/turn, on that excess $2b. There's roughly 540 turns remaining. 2m * 540 = $1,080,000,000 corruption costs. Spending that excess $2b on $49 food (current price) buys you 38,505,968 bushels, which can be resold at a minimum of $35 on the private market for $1,347,708,895, or a cost of $652,291,105... so stocking is actually already *far* better than eating corruption, even at the current price, in this scenario.

That tells me food shouldn't actually drop much more. On the other hand, tomorrow there are fewer turns remaining, and thus fewer corruption losses ahead. At the same time, tomorrow the casher might have $6b on hand and thus be losing $4m on every turn. I feel like an idiot for not being able to come up with a formula for optimizing this decision process...

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

blid

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Feb 22nd 2013, 16:52:35

It's probably not a simple formula though heh. And why bother when you can just easily do a day-by-day analysis. How much money do I have now? What's the food price now? How many turns are left now? Okay, I should do ____

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.

Xinhuan

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Feb 22nd 2013, 16:53:56

I think food will go below $40.

oldman

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Feb 22nd 2013, 16:57:57

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

I think food will go below $40.

lol, that's mis-direction at the best.

blid

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Feb 22nd 2013, 16:58:43

.001 * turns remaining = money lost per dollar.
(current food price * 1.06) - 35 = money lost per bushel of food.
cost of bushel of food = current food price * 1.06.
money lost per bushel of food / (current food price * 1.06) = money lost per dollar spent on food

.001 * 540 vs. (49 * 1.06 - 35) / (49 * 1.06)
.54 > .326.

So stock food.

Edited By: blid on Feb 22nd 2013, 17:01:28
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Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

Watch your mouth boy, I have never been accused of cheating on any server nor deleted before you just did right there.