now now pang. we've made a genuine effort to set our issues aside with LaF this set. so far as I know, apart from one guy who's right on the border of being booted because he keeps grabbing allies through refusing to check the embassy, we've had no dramas with LaF at al this set, and we'd like to keep it that way.
There is a buttload of farming going on in primary slagpit. If you are under about 3 mil nw after the first couple of weeks for whatever reason, you may as well give up, as you are going to be a land fluff for the rest of the set.
So why is it, that if early in the set I participate in a kill run on a suicider, for the good of me AND my clanmates and potentially other clans also, that I get punished by not being able to join gdi at the end of the set? I could entirely understand and agree with the 72 hour gdi rule as it used to be, but this is just silly. Y it strikes me as being a rule designed solely to bemefot large clans through the fact that they have the numbers to sacrifice a few dor the whole, but a smaller clan must use a larger portion of its membership to participate.
As for gdi in primary, someone lands 60 grabs and 10 missiles on me, so I throw 1 missile back, once again no gdi for entire set. Punisemt doesnt fit crime imo
Locket: nice post.
It's odd that tAN is being called atrocious and intractable though, given that in the past he was constantly referred to as too soft...
what I am seeing is erveryone saying "PDM: yopu are bad people for defending and following your policy! On;y we are allowed to enforce our policies!"
blah blah blah.
you guys sijmply don't want to land trade, and wish to stagnate this game further happily getting more and more inbred. anything that marks even a slight change, and if embraced en masse would make a benefit to the game overall, is thrown out.
also of course we are all under 5k acres... we've all been killed dumbass.
before we were attacked by RD, I'd reasonably say I was one of PDM's fatter countries, I waws hitting bigger countries than me acres wise, and yet the retals were getting their land back plus bonus GA's. I think my point stands.
as with Palli: RL takes precedence over earth. I came out of retirement to try and make a change for Paradigm's overall good. unfortunately I don't know if this will happen.
as for the examp[le given: you can stock and still have a reasonable level of defence, rather than runnigng no def. on 35k acres I would expect at least a minimum of 2 mil turrets, and preferably more, but that's just me.
I also disagree with the current definition of topfeeding, which is what used to be midfeeding. everyone in this game now seems to be hung up on the concept of "you can only grab someone smaller in acres than you". silly idea. firstly, fi they are smaller, they are probably also less able to retal, second, you get less land, whilst making sure they will most likely profit off their retal, meaning people don't want to grab in the first place, thirdly, if you are grabbing someone who is within say x% of a size difference larger, you ensure that when they retal they will probably get same acres back. Our policy is not designed simply to benefit PDM members, if you hit us in the same manner, tghen we will abide by our own retal rules in gettig the land back also (yes that means, if you are say 20% smaller in acres than me, and take a single tap, I will respond witha single tap most likely, or at most a double if I am getting my land back. our aim was to encourage land trading and use of ghost acres, bnot hear people whine and complain that we are topfeeding rthem.
now you will have to excuse my typing and spelling as I have been drinking.
Martian: that we did :P
Silver: unwillingness to accept c:c or 1:1 retals was what I was told was the issue, because it supposedly means that you have to quote "entirely change the way you play the game". Crap. General opinion on this particular piece of policy seems to be that it is brilliant.
if you are running specific retaller countries, there is NO reason as to why they can't get the land back in 1 shot. and if the original country wants the land back, he/she is free to take as many hits as they need to get it back. seems simple and not massively "game altering" as you guys like to claim.
Personally I would be happy to sign a CF, but I must also abide by what my fellow leaders wish to do.
Drow
PDM Senate.
I think broadband has simply meant that it's separated the average wallers from the great ones. people like Dragon was it? I think who even with mass countries hitting simultaneously was walling to 1500+ hits on aa regular basis, and I think 1800 or 1900 on 1 particular country.
nah, we came out of slit at 80, so just over half what we went into slit at, came out of ix at 60, stayed steady at around that through tie/pdm v sol/ix, then slipped again after SoF v PDM. There was internal stuff going on @ same time which didn't help any. But the SoF failure really did hurt.
we got back to 150 when we came to EC from 1a, then started sliding from the slit wars onward again.
We've gone for a radical change in policy in recent times to try and allow grabbers opportunity to have multiple targets to grab, rather than the same 4 untag countries all set (yes I am exaggerating, but I am sure everyone gets my point :P), and also to move away from the l:l that i personally feel strangles grabbing in and of itself as the country retalling pretty much always comes out in front. I want to encourage a system where the grab and retal can go both ways, sometimes the grabber wins, sometimes the retaller, with an element of skill required to be great at it.
this is the thing though. We didn't know about the ops initially, and hanlong himself admitted they farmed the wrong person for it. I agree harmful ops as a form of retal is silly, which is why it's being changed. We had no probs with retals on 594, which should have stopped at 6:3 or at around 5k acres.
Still not sure what the hell was going on with #449, apart from being a massive n00b. He shouldn't have been using ops in the first place, which is why he's still in the fluff.
aye, but paying 70% reps for someone who even by LaF's policy at the time was no longer our responsibility as he had already long been detagged?
That's the part SS likes to miss, and what I had the issue with.
Will add you to MSN when I get home, back to phone surfing atm as I am on my way in to work.
realistically, we BOTH know that there will always be members with probs. More to the point, I hope enough of both clans have had enough, and can get past it.
My sole real problem with LaF stemmed from the thatguy incident, when ss demanded we pay reps even though he had been detagged from PDM over 72 hours, we genuinely had no idea he was going to suicide, he just told us he was quitting, and I'm about 80% sure we pitched in to kill him as well. My point of contention back then was that he had been outside of PDM for over 3 days, the recognised standard at that point, so why were we still being held to reps?
Anyways, again, it's old ass fluff, not even the same server, let's try this peace thing again.
we also acknowledge a lack of contact from both sides led to this escalation.
I have no issues with the retal on me, nor would I have had any probs with LaF farming 449, who was freely offered to them for farming as a result of his actions.
this all occurred before the hits from 594.
594 then triple tapped, and got hit 42 times in response after being blamed for 449's spy ops, and being set to farm without even a contact to us.
Rockman already pointed that out.
the worst transgressor of the farming on 594 was who we killed.
the n00b who caused this in the first place, #449, is still getting his ass kicked, by everyone from his division leader up.
han: have whoever is in FA talk to me next set. I'm happy to let things go, and try for a fresh start.
a lot of fluff happened this set which could have been mitigated/solved by better/more contact on both sides of the fence.
we're just as much to blame as LaF.
It also takes both sides to sort stuff out.
I'm willing to take a step back if LaF are.
Drow
PDM Senator
or message via ee boards or boxcar boards.
Han: I actually would like to see you stay. leaving leaders like Tarnava to run LaF would be a sad thing indeed.
with yourself at the helm, perhaps one day PDM and LaF can finally step clear of all the crap, and get along and respect each other if not be friends.
Imperial: an amount agreed upon doesn't mean that every suingle country has to become a target. if a half dozen countries are willing to give up their sets and be farmed for LaF's benefit ( pointing out here that the countries who did give up their sets also dropped their breaks as low as possible ( I personally dropped my break to a 1 jet SS, so saying that there were associated expenses is ridiculous). for LaF to then act like arseholes whilst taking their land back is outright rude.
TGD's point is that LaF expected the entire clan to sit back and be farmed. we asked for volounteers, and volounteers stepped up. just because it wasn't the whole clan so it was going to take a fraction longer is irrelevant.
yup.
though it turns out it wasn't that suicide, though LaF still demanded reps on that one too.
in thisd case teh reps were justified, more thsn 3 countries were offered, as I know tan's, mine, balin's, doug's, Leto's and I can't think of the last member. Balin's was a top level country, I had the memebr farming me tell me to "Hurry the fluff up and get out of fluffing DR's" even though I was going as fast as I could and playing turns and doing stuff to get out of DR as fast as I could, your own FA was being a rude and arrogant prat, and in the end, you managed to piss Balin off enough that he finally said stick yer reps where the sun don't shine. given that I have NEVER seen balin get pissed off abr that one time, your own arrogant and rude attitude cost you.
Tarnava: you need to get your head out of your ass regarding this set. I never intentionally grabbed LaF per se, I grabbed a country who was fat while half asleep, immediately apologised and was happy with the retal taken, and at the time would have been happy if a second had been too. the other member who grabbed you had hit several allies this set, and is still being reamed for it. his country was opened to farming to you guys. instead, you and a couple of your other members took it upon yourselves to farm us. One of our members responded with nukes. you retalled these, and we let that slide too. you then chose to farm 594 after baselessly accusing him of spy opping you even though it was proven not to be him, which your own FA admitted. you chose to massively farm him anyways, and we killed the worst offender, which your FA has ALSO since admitted we were justified for through you guys farming the wrong country.
further, it turns out that LaF DID know RD's plans, and I would say that you used that as a deliberate excuse to farm us, with the thinnest of justifications.
there are certain of LaF's leaders I have at least a little respect and time for, but you sir are not one of them. you are simply a moron spouting the same old tired spin crap to try to justify your pathetic actions.
but feel free to try farming us again next set.
i'm going to point out that the last suicide you mentioned was quite possibly the one where the member had actually detagged for 72 hours, then suicided LaF after they had topfed/farmed his country at the last minute 3 sets in a row. Yet you expected us to pay reps anyways?
Don't think so.
:P
lime: again, no disrespect was intended, more simple hilarity and piss taking of all the general conspiracy theories about who knew what running around. Personally I don't care ;)
ok since I am bored, and I feel like amusing myself, here is my "conspiracy theory" of LaF and RD this set. please note it is NOT intended in ANY serious manner, simply an amusement thing :D
Start of reset: RD pacts out all bar PDM, after PDM tell them we don't want a NAP.
RD decide to hit PDM later in the set in response for this and also for percieved injustices last set. (haven't checked all news, but events don't seem to pan out the way RD claim [nothing personal!])
LaF hears about it.
I hit an LaF'er by mistake, and another member who has been a tool hits them as well.
LaF retals and all is seemingly good.
A few top LaF'ers decide that since RD is going to hit PDM anyways, that they should cash in on the situation by farming in an excessive manner for their own amusement, knowing what the typical PDM response will be.
PDM responds in expected manner, and tensions escalate.
LaF finally declares PDM landfarm, again knowing that RD's FS is imminent, and that PDM will not be able to come out in front on land exchanges as a result.
RD declares.
PDM ignores RD's attacks except to wall, whilst continuing to try to farm LaF.
PDM is tagkilled
LaF wins TNW.
LaF wins :P
,# to LaF, I mean no disrespect, and again, I hold no intent of malice, simply amusement.
all good de1i :)
my pleasure braden, I'm one of those old vets who should have gotten out of the game a long time ago but is hopelessly addicted. I'll be back soon enopugh and we can try again :D
I dunno man, all I know is I went over my market news, and the amount of bushels put on the market, then sold and the bshels return didn't add up. not only that I put them up at stocking price not sale price.
lol yeah I bought up, went to run a couple more turns to stay around 1k pop and phone died. I was like " SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTT!!!!! hope I get home in time!"
