16 is also legal in aus. 16 and 18 isn't so bad tbh.
Slash DID offer to take him to a strip club when they were in NZ at the same time...
Golf clap to slash
dl, the ix/rage stuff continued well after slit/anti slit... As I recall ix raped rage hard for like another 3 sets, then jumped paradigm, before ix/sol ditched tie, and tie/pdm went on to beat ix/sol in the face for a couple of sets.
EDIT: I remember it because I recall being MOST vocal on the Paradigm boards at the time about us NOT going to your aid and pacting out.
i think that applies to a lot of clans these days though rockman. A large part of it I suspect is that it's mostly worn out old vets still playing because of our obsession wiith the game, without giving a fluff enough to excel. Worse, the few genuinely new people joining the game for the first time aren't getting taught how to excel because of that same veteran apathy, and the consequence is that those with the fire to do well and excel don't have the knowledge and skill to do so.
Pdm HAS proven we can war in the past, however the war team we had leading the show back then is gone, except for me, and I am a retired fogey who plays a half ass country for fluffs and giggles. Participation in war has always been our problem, and under other war leaders, a loss of focus on our primary objectives.
The couple of sets I played in MD just before they left were a nice breath of fresh air, but Paradigm is, was and always will be my home.
Short form of the last rambling, I admit I am one of those worn out vets :P
oh and Thomas, I think the farming and attempted farming back and forth is more amusing than an out and out war. Back in the days where I wasn't working as much as I do now, I did sit up all night for warchats etc.
These days I am getting too old for that sh*t. :P
at the end of the day, LaF are amusing themselves, we're amusing ourselves, who gives a crap?
meh, I'll stand for LT and say 1 hour? fluff happens :p
nukes were probably unjustified. PDM policy does allow for their use, but I think the intent was for it to be in extreme cases, rather than what we got.
rockman has a point :p
though if nothing else, we've already convvinced LaF that running defence is a good idea :D
who says you can't live and learn!
even if they did spoil my plans for a decent farming run :(
oh well, live and learn.
yeah numbers are out by several mil. this is what I didn't get. I remember a similar problem in old earth occurring every now and again with some people's food at a stocking price just vanishing. not sure if you guys cured that in the new coding or whether it's linked to that again.
MorTcuS: I am talking about several million that I put straight back up for stockpile as soon as I did my first turn. 41 million went up, I have a record of about 30 million selling and the rest disappeared.
meh, I've never been a fan of nukes. as you say, very wasteful.
it's land I could farm.
and I believe I may be getting old, I am mellowing towards LaF. I am still going to farm you back, no doubts of it, but without any malice and much amusement.
Han: shame we had to run into each other under circumstances like this
you expect logic of any form from LaF where PDM is concerned?
Laf is PDM's new ix.
Funny really when you go back to the slit wars, and pdm were the first to accept LaF pacting out after they got methodically reamed by every single non slit clan. 20/20 hindsight, should have farmed and hit them nonstop.
oh and for anyone trying to claim I was on 20k acres with 300k, I was sitting on 14k with 1.5 million, and climbing. The LaF'er I grabbed by accident at the start of the set was sitting on like 10k with a 10k ss break...
keep spinning LaF :)
just waiting on full turns to return your friendly farm of my country.
So long as I make back 13-14k acres + ghost acres, I am apparently taking L:L by LaF's own retal policy. Just like they took from #594.
and I think it's fair to claim the spy ops are fake until LaF gives us a bounced op with the offending country number, rather than just blaming it on PDM with no proof.
6 were retals flameo, as per laf's retal policy of 6:3 retals. The other hits were what we felt pushed the line far enough to kill it.
I have to ask whether LaF are going to whine to PDM to kill me when I "topfeed" as many members of their clan as I possibly can in a day's turns...
we've seen some successful ops results posted on the boards, but nothing with a bounced op to tie it to PDM specifically. Show us the bounced ops and we can sort out the problem member/s.
And given that we had contacted you over our initial stuff up, simple decency dictates that you should have contacted us about your self centred members actions, and in return made it right. We're not the only ones at fault for lack of communication. Hell, even an insite on boxcar would have been a start.
SS: tht's because things never get that far with ANY clan but LaF.
Tarnava: I would see your point as being more valid if it was say for argument's sake a 3k acre country running a commy and so having a massive NW through military Planned Striking a 20k acre country with bugger all military and thus a similar NW for massive returns. not somewhere where the land areas are remotely more similar. or do LaF only believe in bottom feeding piddlinmg little countries that can't retal?
when the land areas are fairly close I would say it's not unreasonable to grab someone with slightly more land or slightly less as being in the nature and spirit of the game. I made a single SS on a country that was close to my NW and a little larger. that's not topfeeding and you are a moron if you consider it to be.
oh and did you just call my unintentional hit a topfeed?
If so, you sir are a freaking moron. i hit the guy at the time because he was near my NW and ridiculously fat in comparison with others around, without double checking our tag relationship, because it was 5am my time and I had just staggered out of bed. i took a single grab, realised my error and messaged your member with an apology and stating that I had asked my FA's to sort it out.
funny how no other clan but LaF seems to have issues with PDM. i do not accept your farming of my country, and you are about to get a repeat of the Thatguy response to your actions. I was happy to leave well enough alone until you farmed my country.
How many acres does LaF wish to lose this set?
i can safely say you will lose a hell of a lot more than you are taking from us. You just gave me thhe excuse I have been waiting for.
So I put up 41 million bushels up for stock 3 or 4 days ago now, and I seem to have had a large chunk of it just vanish. there's a record of some of it selling oddly enough, but the numbers don't add up. would someone be able to look into it and see where they went please?
Country Name is Tangentium.
Cheers!
how bout getting the fb app done?
How about trying to encourage clans to switch to pacts that allow for some decent land trading, rather than retarded inbred pact clauses?
How about mods looking for, and rewarding, players who play to the spirit of the game, rather than out and out rules lawyering?
Clans are too dependent on the letter of their pacts, and both the clans as a whole, and induvidual players need to start letting go of the strict letter in favour of a looser and more relaxed style of play. Once upon a time, if you grabbed someone, and they bounced or got less back, a simple "better luck next time" response was common, or a congratulatory message if the other country did better. There's a few people still playing with that sort of respect and courtesy, but not many.
i was one of those original two hits. If you talk to your member (I am pretty sure it was 118) I also immediately sent him a message apologising for the hit, explaining that I was half asleep at the time of taking my turns, as well as being on my mobile. I also let him know I had contacted my FA's, and that I was happy to give up whatever neccessary.
You guys were generous and only took 1 retal, which I am grateful for, as I am pretty sure you came out ahead on that land trade.
I've then steadfastly NOT hit LaF for the rest of the set.
In the between, LaF has so far hit me 2x on top of the fairly warranted retal.
Next hit on me, and I will start hitting LaF in return.
After our 1 member allegedly broke the DNH, though there's allegations floating around that there were LaF hits after the DNH was enforced, but before wari hit, LaF proceeded to start not only farming wari, but hitting our other members.
Why would you expect us to abide by a DNH if you won't follow it yourslelves?
Farming Wari was fine, but why hit others, unless you had no intent of following the DNH. Now you complain that we are grabbing you, yet you are STILL hitting PDM.
In short, communication on both sides makes sense.
As a player who's been playing the game for almost 12 years, I am not blind to both sides being at fault.
Gone are the days it seems, when playing in the spirit of the game was the idea.
I honestly thought things would change in that regard with the advent of EE, but nope. And because PDM are trying to depart from the excessively retarded crap that pacting had become, with things so inbred that LG'ing was impossible because even a DNH meant you were going to lose far more than you grabbed regardless, we're suddenly assholes. i didn't realise that we are all meant to play all x...
"#594 gained 4247 acres from his three hits. LaF's posted retal policy indicates they consider an appropriate response to be 6:3 or L:L.
Instead, they responded with 42 hits within the retal window, netting 9180 acres. By their own policies, they grossly overretalled. As the situation was already strained from their systematic farming and our NM response, we did not retal these overretals.
After the retal window expired, #36 helped himself to 2338 more acres in 7 grabs. (Two other LaF countries also made an additional 5 hits and gained 1633 acres) "
so that's 9180+2338+1633 or 13,151a in 'retal' for 4247a, and apparently LaF feels this is ok.
in what universe is that L:L laf?
in terms of numerical retals. 42+7+5, or 54 hits in response for 3 hits?
yet PDM are the bad guys. hilarious.
funny counting of how it takes "4 hits to get land back" isn't it haxor?
but LaF will just keep farming won't they?
this is a double edge sword idea. on the one hand, you are encouraging people who otherwise would not post, to make an effort and post. on the other hand, it is also encouraging people to make a mindless post just to get an extra few points and a slight game advantage.
yeah btw, I AM out of retirement, and playing a half assed netter. not a leadership type for anyone however, so please don't contact me, as I will give answers that are amusing to me, and have no actual bearing on Paradigm, or anyone else for that matter.
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just because I don't PERSONALLY see a reason for the war doesn't mean I am against it. I am still in there hitting away. That's just what you do. Voice your disagreement sure, but when push comes to shove I will still be there all guns blazing.
meh. honestly, I think this war is pointless, and imo we had no real reason to war you. I hate grudge wars tbh.
buuuut... fluff happens. let's blow fluff up anyways :p
10 mil turrets is no small amount, and definitely nothing to sniff at. the point I was making is the fact that for that amount of acres GRABBED, the target also had FAR more land than the attacker. jets and turrets cost roughly the same to maintain. this is why the implication (through costs for land) that the defender was under defended.
again l:l is ONLY going to apply to the victim country. If the victim country cant muster the mil to get their land back within 48 hours, they miss out. And whichever NA'er it was making smart arse comments: we posted about our retal policy at the start of the set before the issues with fist. So unless we started hitting you then, stfu :)
to the haters who were claiming we wouldn't stick to our policy against a larger clan, and claiming we are nothing but bullies: also feel free to STFU. The current situation with NA is us backing our policy and NA backing theirs.
topfeeding per se was eliminated from the game by pang. Best results come from having roughly equal NW's these days, which can only imply this target was horribly underdefended. Simple really... /shrug
my personal perspective on this would be to simply cut it off at 90%. If it's a 1k acre grab and we get around 900a on our retal, I will personally consider it closed, as its near enough as to be no odds.
ok. In response to original issue. We are backing our retal policy. Would anyone else do anything less? So yes this boils down to a policy disagreement.
Thomas l:l retals by our policy ONLY apply to the country who was originally attacked. Anyone else in the clan taking the retal gets just 1 shot. 9 out of 10 cases it will be the one shot as MOST (not all) netting countries run enough offence to LG small countries and thats about it. So normally someone else will be taking that retal. The other part of l:l isthat it has been accepted practice to stop hitting once at least 90% of the land has been regained. So in that example of the 1k acre grab previously mentioned, that 900a retal would be it. There wouldn't be an extra hit.
see now this thing about leaders cheating I would dearly like to see. feel free to insite it to me.
I'm not carrying it on, simply refuting OGT's claim that we deliberately targeted him because he was in collab then in fist.
as a person I don't think you're that bad, and I recall having had many many good convos with you over both PDM and cammy when it was around.
that doesn't mean I can't disagree and disapprove certain of your actions and attitudes, which is basically what it omes down to.
I didn't bring it here to carry it on, in fact I specifically decided NOT to name you because I was trying to point out that it was irrelevant other thaan to refute OGT's point.
you ARE one of those retarded things.
actually I was more referring to the killed, restarted farmed, suicides, future set grudge wars etc etc.
nice short sharp war, make our point then back to the negotiaion table. simple.
