i care, only because someone has to :)

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so after all of this you are still asking why ... this is simply amazing... I'm beginning to wonder if you really are a SoL FA.

but then I must admit I was wrong, your way is so much more fun :)

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would you like me to let you off the hook or do you want to keep dancing?

lol spawn, I think retaling Sol and ensuring they have to take the retals, with no recourse available other then to suck it up is sufficient :)

This does not mean they have to accept it. but the smart ones will realize sooner then later all they can do is wait and see who gets to be the next recipient of a retal run.

It's the type of game SoL enjoys... hit someone and make sure those being hit cannot hit back in return :) I learned to play this way from the very best in SoL.

I heard SoL gave you high 5s and a job well done for nuking my country ;D

lol I did not know it was 1 country per reset ;D

Maybe you should put in the suggestion box to protect SoL from little old me :p

Care to explain why SoL deemed it necessary to kill the country?

hehe zyg this one I do alone, no need to drag others into this.

but i am happy to see the server waking up and potentially changing how they respond to those who take them for granted.

let them have their party while exclaiming "let them eat cake".

I do wish you the very best of luck with Inertia, perhaps a few untags will take notice and know things can shift, if they are willing to change their own methods of responding.

What makes you think you would even know what alliance I am going to :) Hope you do not hit the wrong alliance by mistake it would probably just make matters even worse :p

Besides I doubt the alliance I join will even know it's me, and i definitely won't be suiciding from their tag :)

Why should I let SoL retal my retals, this would definitely be outside of my objective of clearing the retals as quickly as possible.

kya me thinks they still believe they have control of this situation :)

it's ok we shouldn't burst their bubble too quickly.

Why are you threatening to tag kill any clan I join unless they give up my country ??? --- If so can we call it the Tigress Clause :D

/me wonders how many clans will sign the new pact with the tigress clause in it ;p

I hope I get to see what the SoL pacts look like for the next reset :D

I'm just learning how to retal from the Best of the Best Junky... SoL is the best alliance out there isn't it Junky?

Junky: "Why even bring this up on AT, other then to try and get something outa it. support, respect, hatred. something."

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This has been explained numerous times, how else do you want me to explain it. Ask your FA, why this needed to come up on AT.

Junky: "even going untagged, you'd think you'd let the big clans know you were going Untagged, instead you sorta sat there and took it. waiting for somthing to happen, so you could suicide with false purpose. 200+ hits before sol, nothing.. no retals.. you say you don't suicide, but the very act of what you call retals are infact what suiciders do.. I quote from earth wiki..."

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You should check your facts, I have a dead country that took well over 300 hits after the retals, without a single retal being taken against SoL... care to explain why SoL killed the country???

maybe we can call it land grabbing SoL style ;)

2011-01-31 00:36:19 NM FROOTnLOOPY (#820) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG DH
2011-01-31 00:36:15 NM FROOTnLOOPY (#820) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG DH
2011-01-21 00:37:49 NM The Grinch (#97) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG DH

Junky: "my other question is... do you plan on asking clans in future about getting DNH's at the begining of your "clanless" phase the next time you do it?"

Why is SoL interested in providing a DNH to my restart :)

Again I did contact Clans including yours to get the DNH from the clans hitting me unfortunately SoL made a different decision.

SoL also made the decision to continue to escalate this issue. Now we have a mutual understanding on how to hit each others countries.

Are you for some reason opposed to this mutually agreed upon solution? Obviously most of SoL and even its leadership seem to believe this solution is highly beneficial to SoL. You should contact SoL leadership so they can explain to you the fantastic benefits you will all be receiving from this amazing deal they worked out for all of you.

ICQ OFF!

have fun

Thanx <3

For someone who was impatient enough to call me out in the other thread you sure became unavailable pretty darn quick!!

I let the nukes and missiles go because your FA already stated your member was taken care of ... This does not equate to SoL deciding to kill run the country.

However if you do have an explanation for such action please do feel free to enlighten me.

ICQ off in 5 Minutes.

done ;) and added you to ICQ

ICQ on Maki -- Ball back in your court.

Hi IM ... oh the horror ...

Actually been pretty busy with work... just out to have some fun, with SoL. I'm sure they are enjoying this just as much as I am :D

Maki it was a tongue in cheek response to Hoss, just asking if he felt other alternatives available to me would be more to his liking :)

So many options so little time :)

lol we have reached a mutual agreement :D

I understand :)

good luck with that :)

I'm sure they are Junky ;)

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Besides Junky I'm sure SoL members have been notified by now they need to get SDI, due to the amount of retals, which will be taken against their countries:)

Not my fault this member did not listen to his leadership and failed to get SDI ;)

Sure they are it's what SoL uses when retalling untags, just using their policies :)

I do hope so :)

SoL is in desperate need of some level headed leadership ;D

I'm working on the retals as fast as i can :)

109,278 retals
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109,273 retals

Time Type Attacker Tag Defender Tag Result
2011-02-01 02:12:28 NM Tigress (#1153) SoLe SuRViVoR (#1054) SOL 122A
2011-02-01 02:12:25 NM Tigress (#1153) SoLe SuRViVoR (#1054) SOL 122A
2011-02-01 02:12:17 NM Tigress (#1153) SoLe SuRViVoR (#1054) SOL 122A
2011-02-01 02:12:15 NM Tigress (#1153) SoLe SuRViVoR (#1054) SOL 122A
2011-02-01 02:12:08 NM Tigress (#1153) SoLe SuRViVoR (#1054) SOL 122A

sort of hard to get more missles in 116 turns, but i will try to do better next time :)

oh I'm not even going to try and kill SoL countries, I'm much nicer then. As stated I will just be taking my retals :)

I'm sure you can understand that taking 100k plus retals will take a while. I also like to pace myself so just a few per reset. Maybe i will dedicate a reset here and there to speed things up a little, but I do have a life and Sol is not my first priority :)

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BTW
If that was Dragon hitting and not taking the retal then I'm beyond disappointed ;(

this is one of those tell me it isn't so moments... please tell me another one of my heroes did not just falls to disgrace ???

I will still lubs dragon but that little extra sparkle will be gone ;(

thank you

have fun :)

hey Junky I never suicided, and i did run Poetic Justice for a while on the EC server (took it from 2 members to 20 or so members). BTW LaF along with many other clans gave us the uNaps we needed to survive.

And yes when 2-3 members from poetic justice used my tag to suicide on SoL and it was my 30k Fascist farmer that was given to SoL to farm for 72 hours!!!! So come again on how I ran suiciders???

I never suicided nor will I; but by my reckoning there are a few retals owed here and will be taking them. If you want to go out of your way to call it suiciding then go for it.

for the record there won't be a country for them to kill after i take my retals.

thanx link, I'm sure I will need it ;)

lol Helmet... I like the slow burn after, 20-30 resets I'm sure SoL will begin to realize I'm not going away ;D

lol ... now that is a phrase i have not heard in a very long time ;) ... But I sure did luv his war cry ;)

Where is Boltar??

well this did explain it, for the record the alliance server is a prime hunting ground for anyone with an absolute mean-streak in them. Very low def super land-fat countries with a lot of peeps getting really really upset if someone were to take advantage of this reset after reset.

My question here would be do you want me to put a netting alliance kill team together just for my own personal gratification. Especially when I see post like yours popping up. I think 50-60 super active we luv to kill it if it moves types would do wonders for the attitude some have on their rights to net and farm untags. Especially when their thought process turns to killing the untagged after it played within the unwritten rule-set.

Perhaps we start with Evo/LaF/Sanct, and when they ask why we effed their netting sets just point them to SoL and say hey they really should not have killed #780. you know just for kicks and giggles. is this a more acceptable solution to you???

your type of post is a great example of the attitude which leads to alliances like Sol doing what they do.

nope Helmet i won't be doing that, I do not suicide.

That is the easy way out I intend to take my retals at the start of every reset, restart and tag up to play my game ;)

this way no other alliance needs to get involved or have to pay because SoL goes on some blood-lust rampage for being retaled. As we all know they are currently known to do this when legit retals are taken against them.

So obviously we need to keep this one as Tigress v. SoL.

No reason for other alliances to be affected by what I feel needs to be done.

Perhaps Sol's new pacts will have a "if you harbor tigress clause in it" which will only go to show how weak they really are and unable to take and accept retals owed ;)

/me considers joining SoF 72 hours after each retal run ;D

Firstoff, big thanx to: Kya, OrigOzzyB, bore, pocketchange, WH, Ruthie, and spawn, for the support ;)

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locket: "you could apologize to him. its a simple way to get rid of a suicider."

--- Locket while i appreciate your effort to deescalate the situation i must correct you in clearly stating these will be retals and not suicide runs. Never was never will be a suicider.
--- Big difference they will see me coming at them but there won't be a thing they can do about, it.
--- On the flip-side a suicider would hide and wait for an opportune moment to strike and do as much damage as possible. Just not my style :)
--- My intent is to take my retals from SoL as early in the reset as possible so I can restart, tag up to play my game for the rest of the reset.
--- If I happen to die in a war I may be a little slow in restarting since I get an extra country to take retals with :)

--- I'm sure you understand 100k retals will take a very long time to complete, so to get this out of the way as quickly as possible I will need to use every opportunity given to me.
--- I will be deleting the country after to ensure RoR do not occur, we do not want SoL to make this mistake again thereby accruing more retals.
--- This will be more for SoL's benefit because they have such a hard time understanding the concept of legit retals.
--- I am not out to get more retals on Sol after all, and will do what i can to take my retals as quickly as possible.
--- Meanwhile I understand the need to minimize the potential for more retals being owed ;)

--- My advice to SoL members is get turrets, get tanks, and get SDI before coming out of protection and tagging up ;)

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NukEvil: "Dear Tigress, I'm so sorry, Sincerely, SOL. P.S. I am SOL."

--- NukEvil, aren't you glad Evo isn't on the receiving end of this one,
--- make sure you add a Tigress clause in your pacts, and next time get a hold of trife before hitting LCN's exclussive untagged landfarm :)
--- Of course this could change if Ravi takes to long to bring RM back, and I will need to give rights to RD for a reset or two so Ravi knows I'm not kidding :p
--- in which case good luck getting permission from Mr. Lime to share the land with you ;)

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bore: "i think you should hook up with these: (#485,#493,#765,#1050)" <<-- edited and shortened for ease of responding

--- i will take these retals on my own, i was not in a clan when this occurred and i won't be in a clan when this is gets resolved.
--- nor do I expect any clan to take care of this for me, or to protect me from SoL, it is not their fight, nor should it ever be.
--- besides there are plenty of peeps looking to organize untags, i see two at the moment with Inertia, and UnClanned.

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Ravi: "As the real power in SOL I must inform you that your retal period has expired. Any further hits on SOL will be treated as land grabs on an escalating basis.
if you have any questions feel free to contact Detmer."

Ravi: Now for some odd reason I believe this... :p ... restart RM for a reset and I will let bygones be bygones :)
--- as you see I can be reasonable ...there is no need for SoL newborn blood to be spilled.
--- Besides only LCN has a signed contract allowing them to farm my untagged countries, attempting to extend this contract over to Sol is just not acceptable :p

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BiffBuff: I'm not even going to quote what you wrote, just because I really do not feel like doing so :)

--- But for those interested they can scroll up a little a read what you wrote.
--- Now I am starting to understand what the problem actually is, you all thought I was looking for sympathy and completely underestimated the situation.
--- lol that is cute, I almost feel bad about this now.
--- Your post actually went to show why out of all of this, I am going to be perfectly within my rights to retal Sol to my hearts content in whatever way I want for almost as long as I want ;)
--- I just say for as long as i want because i really dunno if I will be able to take all 100k retals within my own lifetime i will try though :)
--- I would hate having to go to heaven and ask St Peter for retal rights on SoL members in heaven :) Which I would probably get BTW ;)
--- We could of course resolve this quickly wherein SoL gives me a country to Farm and Kill next reset and apologizes for killing #780
--- But we all know this won't happen so it's happy hunting time ;)

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NorCal: "This certainly doesn't help the situation. In fact, in my humble opinion it will hurt the untagged countries even more.
I would ask respectfully that you do not pursue the above plan as it won't solve a thing... try my suggestions in the other thread."

--- A voice of reason in the wilderness, I will be tagged up next reset, probably a little late but definitely tagged up.
--- Praetor made it very clear in the other thread that he does not give one man tags a DNH,
--- so based on his words I do believe that even had I approached him midset when I started the country he would have denied it outright.
--- There would have been no reason for Praetor to give someone like me a DNH.
--- Now here is the question;
----- Had I approached you and said: "I am willing to let go of retals currently owed to me (which I am definitely in a position to take) for a DNH, would you have given me the DNH?"
--- Because this was the offer other alliance FAs accepted and the SoL FA obviously refused.
--- So my final conclusion in all of this was SoL was actively seeking countries to kill post war, based on their repeated actions.
--- SoL absolutely cannot justify the kill because they were given every opportunity to let this go asis with huge advantages on their side.

Perhaps a SoL FA would like to talk, but this is completely up to SoL leadership personally I know exactly which direction I am headed in.
It is purely up to SoL leadership to decide if they want to mitigate this problem or just let it escalate.


Saying this would hurt untags even more is kinda of the point behind why this thread was created

i.e. if SoL goes out and kills untagged countries at will just for the fun of it then...
what incentive do untagged countries have to go thru the steps of contacting FAs or keeping retals to SS/PS ???

you really cannot hurt untags anymore then what SoL is currently doing

so this is basically a thread to let them know there is nothing left to lose at this point ;)

Norcal i knew going in as untagged i would be farmed there was no illusion on my part about this fact. the alliance server has been this way for a very long time.

What i found was that as you mentioned contacting the various FA's and letting them know of your ability to retal, before ever taking a retal usually will get you a DNH. It keeps their members safe and keeps it fair for everyone involved.

I was not about to go out and contact FAs and tell them I had the ability to retal with a 3-day old country midset. However I did find my happy spot at about 2100 acres stocking 1.5-2 mill bushels a day and kept to myself. With the LCN v Rage/sol war going on the hits from other alliances were acceptable to a point.

Specifically when the ceasefire occurred the 3 alliance who had been in the war were land hungry. I understood this when i saw the hits suddenly increase on my country. However by this time I had about 25 mil bushels stocked.

I therefore took the time to contact each FA individually and explained the situation to each one of them. Those I did get ahold of did give me a DNH including Sanct and Rage LCN only doubled tapped me during this time period as did ICN a little later. I did leave a message for trife(LCN) and let the ICN double tap go.

I did get a hold of Praetor the SoL FA who acknowledged my right to retal, and even mentioned he would let the member know. I figured the case was closed. however a few days later the news posted above is what occurred. By this time I had gone from the 25 mil bushel to 27 mil bushel when I spoke to Praetor to 30 mil bushel when the SoL member decided i was his personal landfarm, like it or not. Why not he was at 4 mil net and I was at 440k net

I destocked took 3 retals and figured it would be the end of it I even sent a message to the player in game stating I was willing to let it all go and let things stand asis.

This thread was started when SoL decided to land kill my country for the 3 retals. Of course back then they denied this and said i was just a juicy landfarm they were taking advantage of. At that point I'm sure they stopped whatever kill-run they had going considering the public attention it was getting.

But then the dust settled and scrutiny was off, so they proceeded to finish what they started. Although I specifically was not a threat to them in anyway shape or form.

Nice going SoL !!!

Drinks my country was squiggles #20 in the last express reset it was the top Fascist out of the 3 that went T10. Like yours it was also an All-X ;)

I also play Fascist 90% of the time.

I have yet to take a top 3 position with a Fascist though. I would definitely like to see someone do this consistently on a solo server without flipping over to a theo to destock before telling me I'm wrong :)

BTW conditions were optimal for a fascist in the last express reset with tech consistently under the 2K sales point.

BTW all 393 hits made by Sol after my 3 retals went unchallenged. so you would need to explain to me how this equals me picking on SoL.

If you take the time to read the thread you will see that i let go of retals i was unable to take in the 72 hour window, considering I started midset and had my first country killed by accident by Rage ;)

Once in a position to retal as alliance were farming my country I contacted the various FA's and informed each of them ... SoL is the only alliance to decide they would just kill if retalled.

Norcal I specifically retalled the country who hit me after i contaced the SoL FA explaining i had 30 mil bushels on hand and had the ability to take retals if hits on my country continued.

Here is the actual news:

2011-01-19 22:11:10 SS Paranoia (#780) SCDG Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL 794A (1168A)
2011-01-19 22:01:47 SS Paranoia (#780) SCDG Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL 855A (1258A)
2011-01-19 22:00:15 SS Paranoia (#780) SCDG Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL 920A (1354A)
2011-01-19 20:53:13 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:53:12 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:53:10 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:52:34 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:52:33 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:52:31 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:52:24 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:52:23 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:52:21 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:52:11 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:52:10 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:52:08 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:51:55 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:51:53 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:51:51 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:51:41 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:51:39 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:51:37 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:51:24 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:51:23 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:51:21 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:51:13 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:51:11 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:51:09 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:51:03 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:51:02 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:51:00 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:50:34 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 10A (10A)
2011-01-19 20:50:33 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 15A (16A)
2011-01-19 20:50:31 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 15A (16A)
2011-01-19 20:50:04 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 15A (16A)
2011-01-19 20:50:02 SS Dark Realm SOL (#842) SOL Paranoia (#780) SCDG 30A (41A)

If you are a member of SoL this is to inform you I will be taking my retals.

this reset you hit my country 467 times, ultimately killing the country 10 days after I legitimately took 3 retals.

you now owe me 109,278 retals (escalating).

the rules I will use for my retals will be based on your own retals against my country

1. no time limits
--- this means I will take my retals during any reset I feel like taking my retals in. In as many resets as I feel like taking them in.

2. farm at will
--- this means I will hit any country I want as many times as I feel like hitting said country.

3. any type of attack is legit
--- this means I will retal anyway I feel like.

since a good percentage of SoL found it to acceptable to kill my country i.e. 14 countries out 73 tagged or 19% of the alliance I will simply take my retals on any country I see tagged as SoL.

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You have hereby been notified that any hits coming from one of my countries are to be considered retals. If you do not want to be retaled upon by one of my countries in the future your best option is to simply not tag up as SoL.

The Retals will continue until such time:

1. you apologize for killing # 780 and publicly state you will stop killing countries for taking legit retals,

2. hell freezes over

3. or all 100K plus retals have been taken without RoRs.

lets have some fun.

Tigress

P.S. to the rest of the alliances on the server I will not be tagged or take my retals while tagged or at any point after being tagged in your alliance during a reset.

in return:

War hits against SoL while tagged for an alliance warring SoL will not be deducted from the retals owed.

So tell me again how SOL does not kill countries for 3 legit retals.

Your country was destroyed because it possesses no territory.

honestly could not leave it alone could you ;D

http://www.eestats.com/alliance/country/780

lol now that would be a beautiful sight :)

--- I'm just giving you a hard time ;) i can always dream ...someday I will get my top 3 with a fascist :p

:p --- not really because if a rep, commie, or demo can finish at the top without flipping to theo, why should a fascist have to?

BTW i was Squiggles (#20) ;)

but the fascists gov type sure is; even with tech prices under 2k on average the 3 fascists in the T10 only got 18 mil net ...

definitely not enough to take a top 3 win like commie/rep/theo or even demo ;)