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Feb 3rd 2011, 10:23:07

and since everything is aired out now here's the summary of what this original thread asked:

Q: Do you guys care to admit what took place... or do I really have to waste time and post the proof for everyone to see?

A: #33 felt slighted by EVO this reset (i hope you guys can see why). #229 also happened to get randomly suicided with ABs and GSes (one was completely unprovoked). #229 was still a legit top 10 country despite that. #33 decides to FA #229 back up to the actual top 10 because he felt one good country is better than two screwed up countries. the fact that EVO was the one getting kicked out was probably gravy to #33 when you consider what happened to #33. Two/three countries is not a 1) market buyout 2) chain FA 3) representative of an entire alliance. if LaF as a whole was upset, there would be either a war or a visit to the FA team over at EVO by me complaining about it. this was clearly a non alliance stance related personal action by #33 and #229. it's up to you guys to judge whether its hypocrisy with what LaF's stance is in regards to market buyouts/mass FAing or not.

you guys can ignore everything else, i think its as clear and concrete as an answer to the original question.

Edited By: hanlong on Feb 3rd 2011, 10:28:57
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Don Hanlong
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Feb 3rd 2011, 10:09:34

slagpit.. i took the time to dig the ally spy op for #782 from the boxcar archives.. note how both tech allies were EVO:

Allies as of Jan 07/11 8:03 PM

Defensive Alliances
Defensive Ally 1: Empty
Defensive Ally 2: Empty

Offensive Alliances
Offensive Ally 1: Empty
Offensive Ally 2: Empty
Offensive Ally 3: Empty

Research Alliances
Research Ally 1:RED STORM II (#406).
Research Ally 2:Stella Artois (#6).
Research Ally 3: Empty

Intelligence Alliances
Intel Ally 1: Empty
Intel Ally 2: Empty

Trade Pacts
Trade Ally 1: Empty
Trade Ally 2: Empty

Don Hanlong
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Feb 3rd 2011, 9:06:44

i only said that 1.68 thing because you said we did twice as many hits because we were twice as big so it makes sense to get hit twice as much.

except i pulled out my calculator and it said 1.68. which tells me the proportions are in EVO's favor in the lack of hits getting received. its just anecdotal evidence however, so we can chalk it up to trolling, but you have to admit you were trying to prove why we lost 1.92x more land by saying we hit 2x as much, but it was clearly not the case and i felt obligated to point that out.

i'm sorry about jabbing at the SQL skills, that was trolling on my part but to be fair i put a smiley face so i hope you weren't personally offended, because it was meant to be a joke.

i apologize if it you took it personally, i will refrain from making jabs like that at you since you are taking it seriously.

i did not think the game was better, but i think some of your posts didn't help. your last posts are actually more logical now and hence why i've stop making stupid jokes towards you.

and thanks for the investigation. i am 100% sure the two countries were tech allied because i saw the spy op with my own bare two eyes, but its nice to see the nw change matched up.

i don't really care for the answer from evo tbh. i was originally just saying the reason why the FA package occured. i posted my answer to kingme very early on, but somehow dirty laundry had to be aired for everyone to be happy... why can't you just take my answer as the answer? i mean kingme asked for an answer, i supplied it to him and then everyone got their panties in a bunch (and ignored what i said) and then went off about LaF and chain FAing and market buyouts when it was not clearly the case. it is quite frustrating...

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Feb 3rd 2011, 8:35:06

Originally posted by enshula:

the untagged was the techer?

i was going to say that the usual thing to say in these cases was that the tech leech was reps of some kind for farming on the untagged

yes the untagged was the techer if i remember correctly. that's why everything just smelled fishy to me =)

Edited By: hanlong on Feb 3rd 2011, 8:40:29
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Don Hanlong
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Feb 3rd 2011, 8:34:29

Originally posted by Slagpit:

Wow is different than this game. If you want to tell me how to be an admin, do me the courtesy of not trolling in our forums while you do it.

I'll look into #782 and RED STORM II.

i don't want to "troll". if i was talking smack about another alliance and not EVO i don't think you would be saying i was "trolling". even if i was trolling, that's what i get to do as a player =) as an admin i wouldn't be posting anything related to any alliance affairs and keeping it stricly game based. again i'm trying to let you know the difference.. if blizzard banned every single guy who trolled on their forums, it would be a pretty empty place. i recommend you check out WoW's forums sometime. it puts the trolling here to shame ;) but if a game dev was trolling the forums, they would get reprimanded for it. see that difference?

i still believe you have some bias towards EVO, and its clearly evident. if i became a game admin, i would be biased towards LaF, and as a result i would make sure i stay out of LaF affairs because i will naturally be biased even if i try hard not to. it's the only way to do it. and that part is the part i am most bugged about that in respect to you being an admin.

if i was you, i would let a third party admin who's not in LaF or EVO (is there one?) address any issues related to LaF/EVO and stay quiet on EVO related threads.

don't take this too harshly. i'm not trying to make it a personal attack. i'm actually happy i can reach out to you like this directly since its still a small community. just like you i want you to be a successful admin so as much people as possible can enjoy the game so it can expand. if you mettle too much in in-game affairs, it will not bode well with the userbase as the game grows.

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Don Hanlong
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Feb 3rd 2011, 8:30:55

and ps, i still iterate that i wish this much detail wasn't necessary just to show a point.

i actually appreciate your work as a dev standpoint slagpit, for recreating this game to remind me of my younger days =)

despite that, i still think its poor form for you to intervene in EVO related affairs, even though you aren't playing in EVO, namely because you were in EVO in the past.

conversely, i think its also poor form for pang to intervene in LaF affairs if he's not going to be playing for us anymore and only wearing his admin hat. and if he starts making statements for LaF, i would not be happy.

his post however on AT earlier was addressing the overall server landscape with an admin hat spin on it, while i can't honestly say you have a complete admin hat on for this one. no offense, but it really has a flavor of evo-sided biasedness to me, and i believe everyone else who reads this can easily agree to this.

i will easily admit i am biased to LaF, but i also am not an admin and purely a player, and a head of said alliance, so that's just captain obvious. you my friend aren't in the same boat as me in EE =)

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Feb 3rd 2011, 8:20:28

Originally posted by Slagpit:

What? Here's how you can tie #792 to EVO:

2011-01-11 10:13:58 CM coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 140B 4734 C
2011-01-11 10:13:53 CM coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 140B 4734 C
2011-01-11 10:13:32 NM coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 244A
2011-01-11 10:13:30 NM coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 244A
2011-01-11 10:13:18 GS coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 4361C 882527 F
2011-01-11 10:13:16 GS coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 4446C 908414 F
2011-01-11 10:13:14 GS coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 4532C 935060 F
2011-01-11 10:13:07 GS coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 4620C 962489 F
2011-01-11 10:13:01 GS coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez DH
2011-01-11 10:12:54 GS coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 4709C 990721 F
2011-01-11 10:12:48 EM coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 7733MU
2011-01-11 10:12:39 CM coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 140B 4734 C
2011-01-11 10:12:34 GS coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 4892C 1019782 F
2011-01-11 10:12:27 GS coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 4987C 1049696 F
2011-01-11 10:12:20 CM coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 140B 4734 C
2011-01-11 10:12:11 GS coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 5175C 1080486 F
2011-01-11 10:12:08 GS coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 5275C 1112180 F
2011-01-11 10:12:00 CM coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 140B 4734 C
2011-01-11 10:11:52 GS coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 5469C 1144804 F
2011-01-11 10:11:50 GS coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 5575C 1178385 F
2011-01-11 10:11:46 GS coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 5683C 1212950 F
2011-01-11 10:11:27 NM coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 244A
2011-01-11 10:11:21 GS coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 5793C 1248530 F
2011-01-11 10:11:07 GS coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 5905C 1285153 F
2011-01-11 10:10:54 NM coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 244A
2011-01-11 10:10:39 GS coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 6020C 1322850 F
2011-01-11 10:10:34 GS coffee makes the world go round (#792) Aranruth (#577) EVOdiez 6136C 1361654 F

The EVO country that was hit never touched him, by the way.

i did NOT tie #792 to evo. re-read my post. i specifically said #792 is not tied to evo. i tied #782 to evo. i said #792 screwed #229 over for no reason, and #792 screwed over #33, so #33 FAed #792 since one good country is better than two screwed up ones.

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Feb 3rd 2011, 8:19:24

no RED STORM II grabbed him, and got awarded a tech ally AFTER.

i didn't say he grabbed him while being a tech ally. sorry about the miscommunication. not only that, #782 was tech allied to an unrelated evo country. i understand if you grabbed an untagged, apologized, became good friends all of a sudden and then he decides to be nice and send you a tech leech for the fun of the game. but that second tech ally just screams "hey i'm a evo guy being bored this reset". which is fine and dandy, just you couple that with suiciding other alliances, then other people won't be as happy.

why doesn't the standards apply to myself? if i was an admin, i would be like mehul.. the only place i'd post is in the announcements, not on alliance talk. but i'm not a admin here, i'm a player. i don't know why pang posts too much here, but that's his problem (and i said in the other thread that i preferred him to not get into the middle of server politics too much either).

no one ever told me to "fluff off" on the WoW forums. because i don't even post anything other than in game changes. if they told me fluff off because i "increased shaman frost dmg by 20%" then of course they would be banned. but if i was telling him how his arena team isn't "contributing positively in the game", etc. then my boss would be pissed at me.

i hope you can see the difference there

Don Hanlong
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Feb 3rd 2011, 8:10:06

and oh #229 never hit #792 but that's something else but he still got GSed for a bunch of food.

but he wasn't allied to any evo or any alliance persay from what i remember (i did remember somehow tying him to someone but i forgot who so i'm not going to accuse anyone until i dig up my logs again), so i'm not pointing fingers here for now. but keep in mind that it was an unprovoked suicide. it was also 11 days after #229 hit ANYBODY, so you know it was someone trying to keep him out of top 10 (and he had a top 10 worthy country).

would #33 feeling jipped by evo from what happened to his country (getting nuke dumped by a untagged allied to evo two days after he switches from tyranny to demo to stock, probably costing him some nw), and feeling sorry for a random suicide on #229 costing him nw and wanting to help him out be a ok explanation to what went on? especially how he saw he can help #229 get top 10 despite all that's happened to him?

i still feel this is too much transparency and i hate airing out dirty laundry, but really its not some evil plot to screw evo over by LaF. it's just two members feeling slighted this reset and sending FA.

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Feb 3rd 2011, 8:02:29

i have a few things to say:

1) slagpit, just from a pure advice as a game development professional to another, you need to stop trolling on the boards. seriously... if i did this fluff as a game dev to my community, i'd be fired from my job already. if you guys want to make it big time, you need to stop getting agitated about affairs of your alliance, just like i didn't cry on the WoW boards if some other arena team steamrolled me and my buddies.

2) check out the news of http://www.eestats.com/alliance/oldcountry/162/782

i do understand the token EM to that evo country, but you notice all the other hits? and i do understand it does look like he was just retaling who hits him, but the question is why was he allied to evo? actually one of his tech allies hit him and that tech ally isn't even a techer (so tech leech). so why do LaF get retals and evo gets tech leeches from untags?

there was another country, i need to dig him up. but it has the similar funky vibe to it

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Feb 3rd 2011, 7:50:28

i'm sorry. i didn't save it and boxcar reset already (both the spy ops and the news). i have to talk to pang to retrieve them. but if you are dying to know, give me a sec and i'll show you.

so if you see a untagged suicide a LaF and being allied to evo, you would be happy with it? i swear to you 100% that i'm not making this fluff up, and i'm slightly annoyed i have to go thru the effort to dig this fluff up for you.

how about if i'm right i'll name my country "hanlong sucks at netgaining" otherwise you have to name yours "slagpit sucks at netgaining" ;) i like it better if i can get something out of it since i have to go through the effort to show you something that is already in the archive books.

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Feb 3rd 2011, 7:47:42

Originally posted by Slagpit:

Why don't you think for yourself locket instead of going along with the laf party line? One example of laf people ignoring what I say: I asked for the country numbers of those suiciders around 40 posts ago (get out your calculator hanlong!) and I never received an answer.

Doesn't it seem ridiculous to speak at length about such a subject without even providing the barest hint of proof? Or allowing me to even look into the subject?

can you even read? i said earlier that both the guy who sent FA and the guy who received FA got suicided this reset? if you are so smart with your tools to figure out who sent/received FA you can't even figure out which countries were the ones in question? i'll give you another hint: they are the exact same number

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Feb 3rd 2011, 7:40:08

fuzzy things? you just choose to not respond what you don't have the right answer for?

i'll give you a hint. if i was untagged i wouldn't hit my tech leeches either if i was going to suicide on someone. i would go out on a limb and say they were probably my friends, which is why i let them leech my tech all reset and i also get to suicide people who hit me who aren't in EVO? but of course, tech leeching is completely legit ;)

honestly i don't care that evo leeched tech from untagged countries. i actually didn't care they suicided LaF countries either. i also don't care if those LaF countries decide to send FA to each other at the end to make up for that lost nw (in reality what others have said is right and i should've approached evo and made them pay for it instead). so with that in mind, i apologize for being a lazy hFR =)

but i'm not really petty about those things. this is why i didn't even bring anything up all reset. crap happens, and life goes on. but i only became unpleasant and slightly agitated when a evo member asked us why #229 was sent aid. he did say i was coming off slightly strong, which i agree, but it was bottled up inside of me and reading it set it off...

i would appreciate it if its laid to rest so i don't keep on getting reminded of it.

thanks =)

Edited By: hanlong on Feb 3rd 2011, 7:46:48
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Don Hanlong
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Feb 3rd 2011, 7:35:06

Originally posted by Slagpit:

(I assumed that you had 90% mil tech)

Networth gained from a proper resell when the public market empties:

(55 079 * 6.5 * 2.16 * 72) - ((0.6 * (100 000 000 + (55 079 * 0.72 * 2 025 * 2.16 * 72))) / (0.94 * 0.72 * 210 * 3)) = 37 963 155 NW

Upper bound for networth gained from cashing an additional 2.16 days:

(((708 000 * 39 * 0.94) + 2 700 000) * 2.16 * 86) / ((2 025 * 0.72) / 6.5) = 23 730 817.1 NW

It's an upper bound because you don't get the PM space to destock an additional 2.16 days worth of income for free.

Does deliberately passing up $14+ M extra networth count as choking? I think it does!

if you are so good at math, why didn't you answer my question about your math? or you just have selective math (TM) ;)

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Feb 3rd 2011, 6:11:28

wow you guys got SS so excited, maybe i can retire again since you enticed active leadership back into LaF =)

thanks evo!

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Feb 3rd 2011, 6:00:36

Originally posted by Slagpit:

Stop pulling stuff from your ass. It'll only make the irritation worse.

Originally posted by hanlong:

but it nice to see that we lost almost twice as much land as you guys to suiciders and recieved twice as much hits. what does that prove for evo?

That LaF did about twice as many hits against untaggeds?

count(1) attacktag
3035 LaF
1805 EVOdiez

That LaF is about twice as big as Evo?

now i'm scared you actually coded part of this game

3035 / 1805 = 1.68

maybe next time you should put those SQL skill to good use and include the division operation as part of your select query ;)

and oh:

21537 / 11199 = 1.92

i can say we lost twice as much land, while doing 1.68x more hits.

i know i told pang a long time ago i was going to help him code boxcar/the game but i was too busy programming a real game instead. now i regret not doing it with such math fail i'm seeing right now :(

Edited By: hanlong on Feb 3rd 2011, 6:03:21
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Don Hanlong
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Feb 3rd 2011, 5:49:38

look

you can't get more obvious than RESEARCH ALLIES TO UNTAGGED COUNTRIES.

why is slagpit missing the giant elephant? ;P i care less about how many land lost by untags, or number of hits, but somehow both aren't in favor of evo either (as well as the ratio of hits taken and dished out).

so i don't exactly know what is trying to be implied. you are right, maybe LaF doesn't have the 100% defense bonus against untags, but evo has a 50% reduction in attacks received from untags in the code ;)

and oh there must be an ingame bug where evo countries get randomly assigned to be tech leeches of untagged suiciders. so convenient

Edited By: hanlong on Feb 3rd 2011, 5:53:40
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Don Hanlong
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Feb 3rd 2011, 5:42:47

Originally posted by Slagpit:

It's tough to take suggestions seriously from players who fluff in the sandbox that everyone shares to prevent the other kids from playing and then complain that the brand of sand we use irritates their asses.

you seem quite biased towards evo for someone who's "not a evo leader".

contrary to what you think, you guys aren't the only alliance with MMRs. and you think suiciding is just "land lost". ever considered ABs, GSes (when you have food at home), spy ops, etc. as suiciding? but it nice to see that we lost almost twice as much land as you guys to suiciders and recieved twice as much hits. what does that prove for evo?

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Feb 3rd 2011, 5:35:12

we're both on IRC you know.

don't make me fire up that ancient technology called ICQ :P

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Feb 3rd 2011, 5:27:46

let's see.

country A techs. gains x nw. country B gains 1/10th of that nw at the same time.

country A = tech ally of country B.

:P

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Feb 3rd 2011, 5:17:40

Originally posted by Slagpit:

Since when is it not the business of the community to know which countries in the top ten were legit or not? This isn't some private FA matter. If you feel that you were justified in sending your FA, why didn't you make a thread explaining what happened? Or simply admit to it in this thread? It's not that hard.

Threatening other alliances for posting the truth and making stupid accusations is conduct unbecoming for Laf's leaders after everything your former Don has said on these boards. Do you want to be a motivated alliance that does well or do you want to grief other players?

this is probably going to be the most unpleasant post i'll do on AT, and i hate being unpleasant ;)

making stupid accusations?

everyone knows this reset (and we're not the only alliance who saw this) of countless untagged countries that retal evo the least out of all alliances. (you must have forgotten ivan's thread about wishing us a merry christmas earlier). i know he implicated us together, but we assumed you guys just camped news like what we did, which was very plausible since we're doing the same. the problem is when i also find untagged suiciders being TECH ALLIED to TWO DIFFERENT evo countries. what do think i would think? you can ask helmet, i was trying to figure out with him what's going on this reset with all those untagged bs that was happening.

if you don't want stupid accusations, don't do stupid stuff like ALLYING untagged countries, especially ones who SUICIDE. then there would be no "stupid accusations".

i will admit that two LaF members FAed a third one. can you admit/let us know why evo is allying to untagged countries?

and fyi, LT and SS can say whatever they want. as a head of war (LT) and someone who's not even playing in LaF, they don't make the decisions.

did enshula say LaF is going to FS evo next reset? nope. did i? nope. if i wanted to FS EVO, i sure as hell wouldn't let you know on AT either, you would see it in the news ;)

but i digress. i actually like the people in EVO. i know there was some bad blood between LaF/EVO at times due to heated netgaining competitions and accusations not much different from this one, but somehow when i was Don, RED was merged into LaF ;P i'm sure you guys remembered that one... ;)

Edited By: hanlong on Feb 3rd 2011, 5:26:03
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Feb 3rd 2011, 5:01:47

Originally posted by Slagpit:

You guys are hopeless.

hopeless threads get hopeless responses ;)

if this was never started, none of this would've been said.

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Feb 3rd 2011, 5:00:00

Originally posted by BobbyATA:

so let me get this straight hanlong. LaF position is along the lines of,

We do not FA into the top 10. *, **, ***

*: Unless there is at least one top 10 country that has been aided at all, regardless of whether that country is in 10th place or not.
**: Also if a country has been "suicided", even if this "suicide" seems to be a clear result of the country farming the "suicider" earlier in the set, we are allowed to aid said country into the top 10.

Want to tell us what *** means, or will you guys just make up reasons as you go in the future?

ah i hate you, you just want Evo and LaF to war so you can get top 100 untagged next reset since you barely missed it... is this what this is about? ;)

and about your ** point, it is untrue. if someone got suicided as a direct result of farming, then i wouldn't say this would i? i mean then it would just be captain obvious. i'm not that stupid...

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Feb 3rd 2011, 4:55:25

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Feb 3rd 2011, 4:47:44

wow

this thing blew up.

i have a few comments:

slagpit: since you are in this thread and semi-vocal and an admin, how about changing the top 10 scores to only include non-aided countries? it's not a hard change. that way the best you can get is rank 11 if you got 1 FA package at all. something to that effect so its transparent. i'm all for it ;) as admins i feel like you guys have the power to change it ingame.. i don't think mehul once complained about anything anyone did in game, he just did actions.

bobbyata: why is it relevant? both the country that got aided and the country that aided him got suicided this reset. that's why its relevant

and about lt, he is our head of war. he's been begging me to find a war for him so he doesn't have to attempt to netgain and finish only rank 6 again when he should be top 3 easily :P he was honestly the only LaFfer who tried to net and i don't think he was happy with his results, and as a head of war he indicated his preference to fight.

now i'm not as hot headed as he is, but still ;)

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Feb 3rd 2011, 1:55:35

can we balance the off/def allies again? we used to have 3/3. either add the def ally back or drop the extra off ally. combined with the 50% PS bonus, it really tilts the favor to the attacker over the defender.

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Feb 3rd 2011, 1:31:10

Originally posted by Kingme:

I only addressed something that you yourself claimed "your alliance never does".

Feel free to call me out on something similar anytime.

3 guys don't make an alliance ;)

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Feb 3rd 2011, 1:29:48

Originally posted by Kingme:

How was I not being, "in check". I only made an observation and asked for an honest response. I obviously wasn't getting that, so I posted my findings.

You're really coming off as a "not nice person", I hope I just caught you at a bad time.

sorry long day at work. i'm usually very pleasant ;) but regardless, the reset was all screwed up in terms of netting from the mass aided countries anyways i don't even want to get my panties worked up in a bunch about it anymore =)

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Feb 3rd 2011, 1:25:26

"How much FA did EVO send to this untagged country?"

i don't care about the suicide actually. suicides happen all the time.

my point is tech leeches from untagged countries are now part of "legit" netgaining now?

and you said you are just one person. fair enough. you can't call 3 guys (as you have shown in your "proof") to be entire alliance.

i wish this thread never existed because i didn't want to go down this route. and i apologize to evo if i insulted their alliance for the actions of a few members. just like you shouldn't make a thread addressing/insulting my entire alliance for the actions of a few members.

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Feb 3rd 2011, 1:21:05

then keep your members in check then. if an evo member didn't start it, i wouldn't have said anything.

and when i meant competition, i didn't say the alliance as a whole. i meant specific countries. and i'm sorry if you felt disrespected, but you called out my alliance and whether its a member or alliance, you asked for the response.

Don Hanlong
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hanlong

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Feb 3rd 2011, 1:05:20

ok then, well consider that your answer since you were bothered enough to ask.

next time don't tech ally to untagged people if you care so much about "legitness" and especially not ones that happen to suicide the competition.

and i dont want to "chat". i have nothing to say to them. if evo was bothered enough to chat about their issues with LaF, they know where to find me.

Don Hanlong
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hanlong

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Feb 3rd 2011, 1:01:18

and please for the love of god, talk to me over ICQ instead of AT. i hate doing FR over AT ;)

Don Hanlong
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hanlong

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Feb 3rd 2011, 1:00:15

oh kingme can you also care to address about since my country being suicided by an untagged country that was TECH ALLIED to two evo countries this reset. maybe the FA package was to make up for what was lost? ;) i was debating whether to talk to your FAs about this but i was so certain i would get some lame response that i decided to wait until 2 seconds left in the reset to do anything about it.

and i was willing to let it drop without airing it out, but since its the hot topic these days, we can talk now

Don Hanlong
Don of La Famiglia